Ramsay's Penguins Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The Tullys would have Valyrian blood through House Qoherys. If Edmyn Tully and Qoherys Girl are the ancestors of the current Tullys, and their line hadn't ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Only now, after reading aCoK, aSoS, aFfC, aDwD and AWOIAF am I reading aGoT. Wird I know, please don't hurt me. Needless to say that only now I've noticed that it was f**king Sansa who told c**t Cersei that Ned was shopping everyone of back to Winterfell!!I dint know if to feel angry or sad for her. Considering I've read the other books I think it bothers me even more that she never recalls having done that, that she doesn't even regret it. How can she not feel guilty about it? I had a fairly indifferent opinion about Sansa but I believe I'm starting to dislike her more and more. She was very young, thus immature, and I can understand not having perceived the full extent of her actions. The lack of remorse though only makes me see her as incredibly selfish and self-centered. [/rant]I shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biter the Gallant Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 No, Maegor, Daemon, Aemond, Aegon II don't count as mad because they was cruel. Being a bad person =/= being mental ill. Rhaenyra, I believe, may have had her sanity compromised toward the end of her life. Cruelty, vanity and excess piety may be symptoms of madness, but not madness itself and possessing those qualities is not a clear sign of mental illness. Aerys II, Gael, Jaehaera, Rhaegel, Vaella and Aerion do show signs of genuine mental illness/disability (I'm not sure about Aelor). On the one hand, you are right, but do not forget that terms such as "sanity" or "madness" are not being used in a modern medical sense in the text. It is just a medieval society with almost zero serious knowledge about mental problems. In the eyes of the Westerosi an extremely cruel, or pious guy might be considered as mad. E. g. Maegor, Baelor the Blessed or Viserys (the one who was Dany's brother) likely were not mentally ill in a strict clinical meaning of the word, but in the eyes of the habitants of Planetos they were just madmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 She was very young, thus immature, and I can understand not having perceived the full extent of her actions. The lack of remorse though only makes me see her as incredibly selfish and self-centered. And in the same chapter she forgets to ask about Arya... But I'm not sure she realizes it was her fault. Pycelle tells her the moment Robert had died, Ned plotted to overthrow Joffrey. She may think he was misunderstood but the killing would have happened even without her intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biter the Gallant Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I took me a lot of time to realize that Dawn was simply made of meteoric iron. (It shows however that the item is really very old, likely was forged before iron smelting became common on Westeros.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H0X0 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Only now, after reading aCoK, aSoS, aFfC, aDwD and AWOIAF am I reading aGoT. Wird I know, please don't hurt me. I have to wonder if you have a slightly different take on Jaime, because in AGoT, he's a straight up villain. But in the rest he's a misunderstood hero...of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 In which sense? Jamie seems to me like someone who became so frustrated in his youth that he decided to wrap himself up in denial and commit only to what he acknowledges as important: his siblings and being a knight (hopefully dying as one).At the moment he has already realised the denial he has lived in and is trying to be more consistent to what he thought was noble and correct before being trapped by Aerys/Cersei into devoting his life to the Kingsguard. Jaime is finally growing. I wonder when he'll actually come up with some reflection about what he did to Bran... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuvuuia Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 i'm rereading Dunk & Egg stories and the first time i've not noticed that Egg was there when Baelor died and this: Someone was screaming, high and terrible.could've been Egg :crying: Also that Baelor literally fell on Dunk (and Dunk caught him) And the Brotherhood w/o Banners is said to be kinda like Robin Hood, but there are songs about good outlaws in-universe: At Dosk, they’d heard a harper sing “The Day TheyHanged Black Robin.” Ever since, Egg had been seeing gallant outlaws behind every bush.(The Sworn Sword) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Only now, after reading aCoK, aSoS, aFfC, aDwD and AWOIAF am I reading aGoT. Wird I know, please don't hurt me.Needless to say that only now I've noticed that it was f**king Sansa who told c**t Cersei that Ned was shopping everyone of back to Winterfell!![sansa] was very young, thus immature, and I can understand not having perceived the full extent of her actions. The lack of remorse though only makes me see her as incredibly selfish and self-centered. Better feel sorry for her. If you re-read books 2-5 now, you may find it is gnawing on her... I took me a lot of time to realize that Dawn was simply made of meteoric iron. (It shows however that the item is really very old, likely was forged before iron smelting became common on Westeros.) There may be much more to it when you realise that everybody who touches Dawn cuts themselves: Obsidian shards in the outer shell of it have been suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purity Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Better feel sorry for her. If you re-read books 2-5 now, you may find it is gnawing on her...Maybe ☺ im curious on whether this will play out later on, namely on WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 A Song of Ice and Fire = As If! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 A Song of Ice and Fire = As If! http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbut7o8aun1rylhq2o1_500.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbut7o8aun1rylhq2o1_500.gif lmao, precisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Dany is supposed to look like Naerys Targaryen. Naerys was the daughter of Larra Rogare, who is from Lys. A man said Dany looks like a whore from Lys. I think Dany, rather than having "Targaryen features" has the "Lyseni look", but it's barely noticeable because they all have silver hair and purple eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid So Fair Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Robert/Ned paid the Iron Price for Theon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Martin went ellipsis happy when writing dance. All the other books have like 10-15 instances, Dance has 881. Especially weird when you consider part of Dance and Feast were written at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Islands Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Didn't notice the first time through the books that Arys Oakheart was straight up decapitated by Areo Hotah. That's a hell of a way for a Knight of the Kingsguard to go out :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Widow of Coldmoat Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The Tullys would have Valyrian blood through House Qoherys. If Edmyn Tully and Qoherys Girl are the ancestors of the current Tullys, and their line hadn't ended. I think you have it backwards. Quenton Qoherys married Edmyn Tully's daughter. There's no mention of any Qoherys women marrying that I'm aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think you have it backwards. Quenton Qoherys married Edmyn Tully's daughter. There's no mention of any Qoherys women marrying that I'm aware of.Bugger. Thanks and whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Martin went ellipsis happy when writing dance. All the other books have like 10-15 instances, Dance has 881. Especially weird when you consider part of Dance and Feast were written at the same time. I beg your pardon. I am usually able to make sense of your posts and have been happy to read them. I just can't make sense of the one I quoted, though. Please, can you point me towards what I am missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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