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R. Scott Bakker-focused podcast:

https://soundcloud.com/tsa-cast

Happy Ent's Introduction:

This is the perpetual thread devoted to the works of R. Scott Bakker, primarily the books in the Second Apocalypse series, the first of which is The Darkness that Comes Before.

The current publication status is 5 volumes of novels, including The White-Luck Warrior, as well as 2 short stories, The False Sun, and The Four Revelations of Cinial'jin, with part 1 of a 3rd, The Knife of Many Hands, available for purchase. This thread contains spoilers for these publications.

Since Bakker's writing uses layers of revelation, newcomers are strongly advised to finish the books before coming here; otherwise the spoilers will rot your soul. Eternally.

Most denizens of this thread have also read Bakker's non-fantasy novels Neuropath and Disciple of the Dog, but the spoiler policy is unclear. You are advised to hide crucial plot points in those novels.
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The last thread was discussing the inscription of the Tusk, Ciphrang and the Inrithi Hundred, and the mysteries of "upside-down souls," "the inverse fire," and "ascendence v. transcendence."

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Great stuff,



Please any who listen ignore the drunken ravings of the Englishman!



Future casts are up and coming - if anyone on this board has any specific ideas for content then by all means make a recommendation!

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Future casts are up and coming - if anyone on this board has any specific ideas for content then by all means make a recommendation!

How bout an episode discussing Neuropath or DotD?

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Hello HM,



That is a possibility - personally I have not read either Neuropath of DotD (not really my thing) but I know a lot of the casters have - will mention it and see what people think, thanks for the suggestion.



Also if anyone would be interested to participate we host these over Skype and are happy to have new participants with new thoughts and voices - were also a fairly friendly bunch and generally have some good lit discussions.

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edit: NVM- its late.

Sheep, I'm interested in your thoughts.

How bout an episode discussing Neuropath or DotD?

To be straight, I actually think SR's wrong about a lot of the casters having read Disciple or Neuropath.

Also if anyone would be interested to participate we host these over Skype and are happy to have new participants with new thoughts and voices - were also a fairly friendly bunch and generally have some good lit discussions.

I know I mention it off-cast everytime, and I think I was fairly ornery by the end of the lost Cast #4, but when FB suggested these Podcasts way back when it was entirely with the intent that we feature new members of the fandom each time.

But yeah, I'll just put the feelers out again. We're looking to have another Cast, probably within the next two weeks, probably on a weekend.

No idea as to topic matter yet, as not enough of the SA "regulars" has read Bakker's other fiction.

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Happy Ent's Introduction:

This is the perpetual thread devoted to the works of R. Scott Bakker, primarily the books in the Second Apocalypse series, the first of which is The Darkness that Comes Before.

The current publication status is 5 volumes of novels, including The White-Luck Warrior, as well as 2 short stories, The False Sun, and The Four Revelations of Cinial'jin, with part 1 of a 3rd, The Knife of Many Hands, available for purchase. This thread contains spoilers for these publications.

Since Bakker's writing uses layers of revelation, newcomers are strongly advised to finish the books before coming here; otherwise the spoilers will rot your soul. Eternally.

Most denizens of this thread have also read Bakker's non-fantasy novels Neuropath and Disciple of the Dog, but the spoiler policy is unclear. You are advised to hide crucial plot points in those novels.
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The last thread was discussing the inscription of the Tusk, Ciphrang and the Inrithi Hundred, and the mysteries of "upside-down souls," "the inverse fire," and "ascendence v. transcendence."

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I'd asked him over the summer if he might consider joining us for an episode (at that point we'd literally done TSACast #1). He didn't say no but he also didn't respond affirmatively. I think our best bet is to keep legitimizing the Cast by participating in more regular content-creation (as it has been very much a bunch of friends getting to know each other - which has happened much over the "hiatus").


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Speaking of Yatwer, this is probably nothing but while she's not named in TDTCB, the confrontation between Geshrunni and the Skin-spy in chapter one happens in front of a Yatwerian temple called the Mouth of the Worm.

This is either a great catch or ... nothing. If it’s not a coincidence it’s hard to see what the point is. The Cult of Yatwer was alerted to the Consult and their skin-spies then? In that case it would give some more meaning to the epigraph of the chapter which talks about how people have no inkling of what the actions of a single man can portend...

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The "aftercasts" are my favourite part as I am less conscious that people will be listening to my slurred English madness. To second what Madness has said we have spent a lot of time before and after casting just having general life chats in order to get some perspective on each other.



I have always been a fan of a sort of "infocast" series of podcasts - so like "A brief History of Earwa" infocast and "The Nations of Earwa" infocast. Could break them into 20 minute nuggets and have them quite tight and focused with limited speakers and only a little deviation - I would also host these as separate casts as they are more informative and less opinion based. I personally would find it interesting and sure others would like a chance to shore up any gaps in their memory. I would be happy to participate in them.



Another idea would be a summary cast for each book.



Anyway just sounding off some ideas :)

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GJ had mentioned always wanting to take a Cast to summate each book and break-down the ending, Layers of Revelation, etc.



Infocasts... that is interesting, SR. You know well as I though that the real problem with these things is scheduling.


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Hello HM,

That is a possibility - personally I have not read either Neuropath of DotD (not really my thing) but I know a lot of the casters have - will mention it and see what people think, thanks for the suggestion.

Also if anyone would be interested to participate we host these over Skype and are happy to have new participants with new thoughts and voices - were also a fairly friendly bunch and generally have some good lit discussions.

Becareful what you offer. Some of us are quite mad.

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Why not do dramatizations of some pivotal scenes from the series? For example, Kellhus and Leweth, Cnaiür x Moënghus, Inrau vs. Synthese, Esmi possession, who are the Dûnyain, the Wutteät scene, and of course, the HitB scene... (granted, that last one wouldn't be great without video footage but with first person narration from Kellhus's POV it would be nice.)

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that might be considered a 'derivative work' for the purposes of copyright and therefore an infringement of the exclusive right.


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This is either a great catch or ... nothing. If it’s not a coincidence it’s hard to see what the point is. The Cult of Yatwer was alerted to the Consult and their skin-spies then? In that case it would give some more meaning to the epigraph of the chapter which talks about how people have no inkling of what the actions of a single man can portend...

Same issue with the Cish I guess - how can people who can supposedly see souls have such a problem detecting skin spies? Then again only Psatma could see that one chick was a witch wearing a glamour, and then only after being inhabited by the Goddess.

I suspect in some cases there is an interface of perception, a la Donald Hoffman, where what works heuristically is taken to be truth. So in the case of the Cish, detecting certain aspects of cognition worked to detect souls - whatever those are - for centuries [until skinspies confused things].

And of course a soul seems to be a rather paltry nuisance, given all you seem to get is the ability to apprehend paradox while having to contend with eternal damnation. Also, the one skinspy who had one seemed just as willing to go along with the plans of the Consult. Did Maitha kill that one, or is it around somewhere in the dungeons of the Thousand Temples?

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What comes before determines what comes after. Hence thread title must have already been determined, you are perhaps just not aware of it yet.


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