addicted to snow Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Besides the Prologues and Epilogues, do we get a POV Character death in his/her own POV-Chapter? I can't remember at the moment. For example Ned's death was witnessed by Arya/Sansa, Oakheart's by Arianne and so on. Victarion died in his own POV chapter but once he was dead, the POV 'changed'... You will note that toward the end of his last chapter, the POV changes when he comes back outside from his ritual with the Pink Priest... I know that many people will say that Victarion is not dead, but the Pink Priest clearly told Victarion that "Your death is here, with us, tonight"... I think he's dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Interesting Ideas about the Hound:Well this one is obvious, that the Faith will call him back into fighting to face Sir Roberto Strong...That they were unable to geld his horse, stranger... I take this to mean that the Hound will rise again...The Hound's sword was an old piece of steel that he took off that village guy... I think this will prove to be the "Just Maid", the magical sword that was discussed in one of Brienne's chapters with Dick Crab aka Nimble Dick... Seriously, their would be zero point in GRRM going into the detail of how the Hound acquired this sword if it were not of some sort of significant to the future plot... I cannot recall the magical attributes that this sword was said to have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Victarion died in his own POV chapter but once he was dead, the POV 'changed'... You will note that toward the end of his last chapter, the POV changes when he comes back outside from his ritual with the Pink Priest... I know that many people will say that Victarion is not dead, but the Pink Priest clearly told Victarion that "Your death is here, with us, tonight"... I think he's dead...I think you might be quoting Maggy. Moqorro tells Victarion, "Your death is with us now, my lord. Give me your hand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 What are the years of birth for fAegon, Jon, and Dany?Jon 283 AC, Dany 284 AC, Aegon wad born in either the last few weeks of 281 AC, or the first few weeks (days?) of 282 AC. GRRM has not yet specified for Aegon.fAegon, according to the info we have, was born in either 281 AC or 282 AC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Victarion died in his own POV chapter but once he was dead, the POV 'changed'... You will note that toward the end of his last chapter, the POV changes when he comes back outside from his ritual with the Pink Priest... IICR, we've discussed this before and it's not he first time GRRM makes that kind of switch in a PoV. It's likely a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 IICR, we've discussed this before and it's not he first time GRRM makes that kind of switch in a PoV. It's likely a mistake. Was it the birth of the dragons? George revises his writing a thousand times (at least he says so), so I think it was intended. For what purpose though? I have no idea. - Do the Faceless Men go back to their original faces while they are "taking a day off"? I mean, after one finishes his work with X face and he is not required to do any task for a while, does he keep his latest face or does he go back to the one he had before becoming no one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank-jones Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Myths say that the iron islands had their own race of people (ie not first men or of valerian descent) that came before all If them and left the sea stone chair, does anyone think this will have any significant effect on the story or is it just filling materiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Myths say that the iron islands had their own race of people (ie not first men or of valerian descent) that came before all If them and left the sea stone chair, does anyone think this will have any significant effect on the story or is it just filling materiel Just world building, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank-jones Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Just world building, imo. I think your probably right and this is the reason but I do find it fun to think maybe upon returning Vic or the crows eye could find some ancient lost artifact from a former race that could help them however this is just a fan wish of mine with no evidence haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mors Sand Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 This seems like the right place to ask - but I'm new to posting here so cut out my bastard heart and eat it if it's not. :) In Theon I (tWoW) when Theon awakes we get the passage:"Theon twisted in his chains. He knew that voice. Stannis." As far as I can remember Theon has no contact with Stannis in any of the books. So how does he immediately recognise his voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrunkenDornishman Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 ^ well, he is his prisoner, and has been since before the Asha chapter in aDwD where she sees him...so he's probably at least heard Stannis speak by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 This seems like the right place to ask - but I'm new to posting here so cut out my bastard heart and eat it if it's not. :) In Theon I (tWoW) when Theon awakes we get the passage:"Theon twisted in his chains. He knew that voice. Stannis." As far as I can remember Theon has no contact with Stannis in any of the books. So how does he immediately recognise his voice?My guess would be from the Greyjoy Rebellion, where Theon most likely saw Stannis and heard him speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 I'd say TDD and R_T are both right. Theon woulda had the chance to hear Stannis speak in the immediate aftermath of the Greyjoy Rebellion, but the way Theon I, Winds open suggests that Theon was passing in and out of consciousness, and had been aware that Stannis was in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 ^ well, he is his prisoner, and has been since before the Asha chapter in aDwD where she sees him...so he's probably at least heard Stannis speak by thenThe fact that he has to identify the voice and manner of his captivity, would indicate that this is the first time he woke up since arriving at Stannis' camp. Another indicator for little time having passed between the Asha chapter, and Theon I Winds, is that the Karstarks are only now arrested for treason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Steelborn, yes some of us think the perspective changes at the end of the chapter when the dragons are born. Some people disagree, it reads in the same fasion, as if a camera is panning up and widening out the shot as it fades away, but in Victarions instance he is in a room, and the camera comes out of the room before Victarion, whereas Danaerys in out in the open, so it isn't as clear that its not Danaerys POV. Language wise tho, it does not seem to be Danaerys thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Do the kingsguard have squires? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Do the kingsguard have squires? Thanks. It's at least an option. Jamie complains he has too many at one point. I don't think we ever hear about any of the other current Kingsguard having squires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 It's at least an option. Jamie complains he has too many at one point. I don't think we ever hear about any of the other current Kingsguard having squires. Maybe its just Jaime, but I think it would. Knights usually need squires unless there is just men at arms who do it for them or they do it for themselves (tricky). Besides, the whole status thing seems like it would hinge on having a squire? Perhaps its just an underdeveloped aspect of the world. Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mee aar dun wee wee Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 What happens to a ward like theon when they come of age. Is there a limit on their time as a ward, like an age where they become something else? Just reading a theon thread and it got me thinking. Are there other examples of "wardship" in the novels that would give me a clue. I can only think he gets married to a stark? They try and get an heir from him? What's the endgame if he's just a hostage for life? He may as well be killed straight up. Or are there usually specific terms put in place that must be met before he is "freed "? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 What happens to a ward like theon when they come of age. Is there a limit on their time as a ward, like an age where they become something else? Just reading a theon thread and it got me thinking. Are there other examples of "wardship" in the novels that would give me a clue. I can only think he gets married to a stark? They try and get an heir from him? What's the endgame if he's just a hostage for life? He may as well be killed straight up. Or are there usually specific terms put in place that must be met before he is "freed "?I would think the formal wardship would end at manhood, 16. But in the ideal peaceful situation, the warden would be like a second father and/or mother. Theon was a hostage, whom Ned raised as a ward. He remained a hostage after reaching majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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