Half Of Tormunds Member Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Are there any non Freys named Walder? We know that Hodors real name is Walder so my assumption is that he's related to the Freys somehow but I'd prefer not to have to think that if there are other non Freys called Walder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 okay thats a fair enouh answer haha another question, how could house Mormont afford longclaw? they are decribed as a poor house due to having no natural resrouces on the island, was it gifted to them? won, stollen? any ideas Actually, if they were smart to tax the fur trade, they'd be swimming in money. Maybe once there was a smarter Mormont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Are there any non Freys named Walder? We know that Hodors real name is Walder so my assumption is that he's related to the Freys somehow but I'd prefer not to have to think that if there are other non Freys called Walder.It's common name among Frey bannermen and close neighboors:Walder Vance, Walder Brax, Walder Haigh, Walder Goodbrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 okay thats a fair enouh answer haha another question, how could house Mormont afford longclaw? they are decribed as a poor house due to having no natural resrouces on the island, was it gifted to them? won, stollen? any ideasThat the house is poor now, doesn't mean that was always the case.. Lord Tywin Lannister once tried to buy a Valyrian steel sword from a house who had some financial troubles, IIRC, but they refused, because it would mean losing their VS. It's common name among Frey bannermen and close neighboors:Walder Vance, Walder Brax, Walder Haigh, Walder GoodbrookEach and every single one of those are children of female Frey's, daughters or granddaughters of Walder Frey ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 That the house is poor now, doesn't mean that was always the case.. Lord Tywin Lannister once tried to buy a Valyrian steel sword from a house who had some financial troubles, IIRC, but they refused, because it would mean losing their VS. Each and every single one of those are children of female Frey's, daughters or granddaughters of Walder Frey ;) If all descendants of Walder Frey would be killed ( as some want ) the population of Riverlands would decrease by 33% ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Creeping Knight Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 What is with all the godamn smarky winking in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Being a "Prince" (or "Princess") of Dorne is a fancy title or it gives you a bit more of status than the rest of lords? Or the title is just a fancy way to claim status that you don't actually have? I remember Oberyn saying a prince of Dorne was a good match for Queen. But he's Obeyrn :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Mando Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Being a "Prince" (or "Princess") of Dorne is a fancy title or it gives you a bit more of status than the rest of lords? Or the title is just a fancy way to claim status that you don't actually have?I remember Oberyn saying a prince of Dorne was a good match for Queen. But he's Obeyrn :dunno:As you said, hes Oberyn ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Being a "Prince" (or "Princess") of Dorne is a fancy title or it gives you a bit more of status than the rest of lords? Or the title is just a fancy way to claim status that you don't actually have?I remember Oberyn saying a prince of Dorne was a good match for Queen. But he's Obeyrn :dunno:In Rhoynar culture prince or princess was ruler of city and some lands, so he/she was very powerful ( Nymeria, Garin ). When Rhoynars mixed with Andals and the First Men in Dorne, the prince bacame king in all but name. When Dorne joined Seven Kingdoms, Prince of Dorne became someone like Lord Paramount of Dorne . More powerful than an average lord, but not king... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Mando Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 So Hodor is the only Walder without connection to House Frey? Does this mean something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Mando Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 In Rhoynar culture prince or princess was ruler of city and some lands, so he/she was very powerful ( Nymeria, Garin ). When Rhoynars mixed with Andals and the First Men in Dorne, the prince bacame king in all but name. When Dorne joined Seven Kingdoms, Prince of Dorne became someone like Lord Paramount of Dorne . More powerful than an average lord, but not king...The princes of Dorne are technically the lords paramount of Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 In Rhoynar culture prince or princess was ruler of city and some lands, so he/she was very powerful ( Nymeria, Garin ). When Rhoynars mixed with Andals and the First Men in Dorne, the prince bacame king in all but name. When Dorne joined Seven Kingdoms, Prince of Dorne became someone like Lord Paramount of Dorne . More powerful than an average lord, but not king... Ah, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Of Tormunds Member Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 So Hodor is the only Walder without connection to House Frey? Does this mean something?That's what I'm wondering. We know he's related to Old Nan, but do we know any more of her background? The app just says she came to Winterfell as a wet nurse for some forgotten Stark child that died and she stayed on. Her sons and grandsons fought and died for the Starks and her daughters all married off. The daughter of a northern wet nurse would hardly be able to marry into a house like Frey. Not only that, but even if he was a grandson, or even a great grandson, of Old Nans through a daughter who married a Frey, why is he in the north and not in the Riverlands?Yes, he's a plot device for Bran, to serve as his legs and later as a kind of second body, but why name him Walder when all other Walders are Freys? Why not just call him Jim or Jon. Will he become heir to the Twins perhaps? That would be brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Mando Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Does anyone know who was meant to inherit the iron throne from aerys aftr rhaegars death? The worldbook says viserys. And so said ran in this forum because a king can decide whos his heir. But why does jorah tell daenerys in qarth that aegon was rhaegars heir? And why ishe called PRINCE aegon when hes not the heir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Does anyone know who was meant to inherit the iron throne from aerys aftr rhaegars death? The worldbook says viserys. And so said ran in this forum because a king can decide whos his heir. But why does jorah tell daenerys in qarth that aegon was rhaegars heir? And why ishe called PRINCE aegon when hes not the heir? This has been heavily discussed in the RLJ threads and similar. I think the most honest answer I can give you is that, while it could have some significance later, Aerys died before he could have actually signed or proclaimed anything. We have not enough data or information for a definitive answer. If anything, I'm sure the council (which Varys was part of) was aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Does anyone know who was meant to inherit the iron throne from Aerys II after Rhaegar's death?The worldbook says Viserys. You have given the answer as to whom Aerys II named his heir. But why does Jorah tell Daenerys in Qarth that Aegon was Rhaegar's heir? Because until Viserys was named Aerys II's heir, Aegon was Rhaegar's heir. And afterwards, ...Aegon was still Rhaegar's heir. But not Aerys II's heir. And why is he called PRINCE Aegon when he's not the heir? Children of kings or even children of royal blood are called princes and princesses, even if they may or may not ever be "the heir". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 ^His wife died and his eldest son was a man grown ready to rule. In the north it is still considered an honor to join the watch. Castle Black is probably not much worse for an officer than Bear Island.And one less mouth for Bear Island to feed in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 What is with all the godamn smarky winking in this threadMost of us like each other... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Does anyone know who was meant to inherit the iron throne from aerys aftr rhaegars death? The worldbook says viserys. And so said ran in this forum because a king can decide whos his heir. But why does jorah tell daenerys in qarth that aegon was rhaegars heir? And why ishe called PRINCE aegon when hes not the heir?When Rhaegar died, Aegon was his heir. Rhaegar was Prince of Dragonstone and heir apparent (actually crowned prince). So unless Aerys did something to change that Aegon should have become Prince of Dragonstone and heir apparent upon Rhaegar's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 When Rhaegar died, Aegon was his heir. Rhaegar was Prince of Dragonstone and heir apparent (actually crowned prince). So unless Aerys did something to change that Aegon should have become Prince of Dragonstone and heir apparent upon Rhaegar's death.Yandel claims that Aerys II after Battle of the Trident, disinherited Rhaegar's children as he belived that prince Lewyn betrayed him But that's only Yandel's point of view and actually we don't know the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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