aFeastForDragons Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I was reading ADWD(Soft Cover version) again last night when I came to the chapter where Tyrion is sailing through the Sorrows when I came to this part which set of alarm bells in my head. “Enough,” said Griff. “Be quiet, all of you.” Septa Lemore sucked in her breath. “What was that?” “Where?” Tyrion saw nothing but the fog. “Something moved. I saw the water rippling.” “A turtle,” the prince announced cheerfully. “A big ’snapper, that’s all it was.” He thrust his pole out ahead of them and pushed them away from a towering green obelisk. This is before the Aegon reveal. I remember seeing it the first time I read it and wondering who the Price was. It ultimately made the Young Griff reveal a little less shocking since I knew there was some prince hidden aboard. You can find it at the top of page 272 in Dreams and Dust. Is this a mistake that past the editors because its a massive one to let slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make Shadowbabies Not War Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I never even noticed that... I think you're probably right that it was a mistake, but I guess it makes sense when considering that Tyrion already knew/ suspected about his identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't remember clearly, but I think this scene was after Tyrion won the cyvasse party against Haldon(?) and he knew who Griff and Young Griff are, and this was a Tyrion POV, so he already knew that Young Griff is Aegon, so this is why the prince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Crow Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think it is supposed to show Tyrion didn't need the reveal since he figured it out already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 It just comes across as way too blunt and unlike George. He drops little hints here and there but flat out saying the Prince makes it too obvious. As if I he wrote the next few Tyrion chapters and then came back and wrote this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oafkeeper Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It's not a slipup, it's POV : / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 It spoils the reveal though. It would be like calling Reek the Iron Prince in the first few pages of his first POV or naming LS "The Hand's widow" before she appears. Its one of the only points in the five books where I've really thought something is wrong here and very unlike George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I do not think that's a mistake. Nor do I think it spoils anything, since we have a full confirmation later in that very same chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yes, I would bet a substantial amount of money that this was intentional. And the fact that many people didn’t even notice this suggests that our subconsciouses didn’t need the reveal either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr's Little Finger Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Since we have the reveal in the same chapter, I don't think it is of much consequence. By then Tyrion would have figured out that Young Griff was (f)Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion's Whiskers Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think it is fully intentional. Anyone paying attention knows that this group isn't who they are pretending to be and then there is the Illyrio connection as well. Readers should have their antenna up. As mentioned upthread, Tyrion has it figured out and we are seeing this through his POV. I think GRRM dropped this easter egg on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 I suppose so since it got past the editor and into the published book. Its still odd though and something I just can't agree with from a writing perspective since the reveal is 2-3 pages after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It served it's purpose for me I loved it at the time my mind was already going crazy about the boy and lemore once I read that I was even more curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I suppose so since it got past the editor and into the published book. Its still odd though and something I just can't agree with from a writing perspective since the reveal is 2-3 pages after. I doubt it "got past the editor" since GRRM had been working on that story line and group of chapters since early 2000s. If we want to talk about "unlike GRRM," this doesn't really fit because its exactly like him. When does he do reveals exactly when they happen with no build up? Even his two biggest 'shockers' of Ned and RW were heavily foreshadowed and easily picked up by the astute reader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 From Tyrion IV The Halfmaester arched an eyebrow. “How much?”“I have no coin. We’ll play for secrets.”“Griff would cut my tongue out.”“Afraid, are you? I would be if I were you.”“The day you defeat me at cyvasse will be the day turtles crawl out my arse.” The Halfmaester moved his spears. “You have your wager, little man.”Tyrion stretched a hand out for his dragon. ... “Yollo,” Duck called. “Where’s Haldon?”“He’s taken to his bed, in some discomfort. There are turtles crawling out his arse.” ... And why not? Tyrion grinned. Gods and wonders always appear, to attend the birth of kings. From Tyrion V “A turtle,” the prince announced cheerfully. This is no slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It could go either way. The quote from Mithras above indicates no. I wouldn't completely discard it to be a mistake, though. The important is what indicates: Tyrion does believe Aegon is a prince, or at least, royalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 It could go either way. The quote from Mithras above indicates no. I wouldn't completely discard it to be a mistake, though.The important is what indicates: Tyrion does believe Aegon is a prince, or at least, royalty.Really i always read that as tyrion being super sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion's Whiskers Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'm not sure Tyrion believes it...(he probably doesn't ...he isn't that gullible) but that's beside the point if JonCon and company believe it and can convince others to take up fAegon's cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Interesting. I do think it shows Tyrion knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I was reading ADWD(Soft Cover version) again last night when I came to the chapter where Tyrion is sailing through the Sorrows when I came to this part which set of alarm bells in my head. This is before the Aegon reveal. I remember seeing it the first time I read it and wondering who the Price was. It ultimately made the Young Griff reveal a little less shocking since I knew there was some prince hidden aboard. You can find it at the top of page 272 in Dreams and Dust. Is this a mistake that past the editors because its a massive one to let slip.I can see why you'd think this, but remember it's not a detached narrator; it's Tyrion's perspective. Meaning he either had fully figured it out or the action crystallized the point he's been playing around with for him. I don't think it was unintentional on GRRM's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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