The Creeping Knight Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Bran knows everything now.Although, of he looks through the Weirnet and sees Lady Stoneheart he's gonna think "mother looks different, hmm ..." But if he necessarily going to know she died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 What did Tyrion do with the books he borrowed from the Winterfell Library. I don't remember any mention of those rare volumes on Tyrion's return trip. Or what happened to the books. AGoT, Chapter 13 - Tyrion IIOn the eighteenth night of their journey, the wine was a rare sweet amber from the Summer Isles that he had brought all the way north from Casterly Rock, and the book a rumination on the history and properties of dragons. With Lord Eddard Stark’s permission, Tyrion had borrowed a few rare volumes from the Winterfell library and packed them for the ride north. Were they left at the wall? or is it just assumed that he brought them back upon his return to Winterfell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 What did Tyrion do with the books he borrowed from the Winterfell Library. I don't remember any mention of those rare volumes on Tyrion's return trip. Or what happened to the books. AGoT, Chapter 13 - Tyrion IIWere they left at the wall? or is it just assumed that he brought them back upon his return to Winterfell? I don't think we know. He will either have dropped them off at Winterfell, or had been planning to take them to KL to give to Ned... Dropping them off at Winterfell seems most logical.Why leave them at the Wall? He had borrowed them, he wasn't given them. And Benjen wasn't present to give them back to. If for some reason he did leave them at the Wall, they might now be in Oldtown, thanks to Aemon.. but again, I highly doubt that the books would be left at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rupert Connington Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Why were Renly and Stannis never referred to as 'Prince'? Because it kind-of made sense since they were brothers to the king, himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Why were Renly and Stannis never referred to as 'Prince'? Because it kind-of made sense since they were brothers to the king, himself. Already lords. Lord of Dragonstone and Storms End is much more prestigious then Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Already lords. Lord of Dragonstone and Storms End is much more prestigious then Prince. When Robert became king Stannis was not Lord of DS and Renly was not Lord of SE. It might be a shift in protocol post-Targaryens or an oversight by GRRM. It is odd because Stannis is Lord of DS, but then Joffrey is not Prince of DS. A lord is not more prestigious than a prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Creeping Knight Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I figure it was just an oversight by GRRM. Stannis and Renly were both grown men with their own land and accomplishments by the time the story starts in AGOT. Perhaps calling them "Princes" might make them seem lesser or more boyish when compared to being called Lord. Plus they were already lords when Robert became king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Moon tea is supposed to be a poisonous mix... Assuming that GRRM uses real-life tansy for his tansy substance in the moon tea. Look at Hoster what happens when you drink too much of it. I suppose Lysa was too far in her pregnancy. According to my knowledge of herbal abortive potions (that are a bit popular around here...), you can't use it past three or four months, mostly because they don't work (not that they 100% work). Considering that many ladies take MT the next day, I suppose Hoster wanted to be 100% sure Lysa won't remain pregnant and gave her a more potent mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Already lords. Lord of Dragonstone and Storms End is much more prestigious then Prince. I figure it was just an oversight by GRRM. Stannis and Renly were both grown men with their own land and accomplishments by the time the story starts in AGOT. Perhaps calling them "Princes" might make them seem lesser or more boyish when compared to being called Lord. Plus they were already lords when Robert became king. What about Maekar, then? Also, pretty much every other Targaryen was called a Prince, even Egg, who was fourth son of a fourth son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Doesn't Prince only apply to the sons of a King ? That's the case for Maekar, but not for Stannis and Renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Doesn't Prince only apply to the sons of a King ? That's the case for Maekar, but not for Stannis and Renly.No. See e.g. Bran and Rickon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mychel_Redfort Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 No. See e.g. Bran and Rickon. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Doesn't Prince only apply to the sons of a King ? That's the case for Maekar, but not for Stannis and Renly. At least in the case of the Targaryens, it seems every person of royal blood was called a prince or princess. Considering they all are inbreeds, even the cousins are actually brothers or sisters... so... ok, it's complicated. Maekar was the son of a King, yet, his sons were called princes too, despite the actual heirs were Baelor's sons and their children (which I'm not sure they already had by the time of THK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 legit question: Whats the point of Bran doing what he's doing, exactly. Yes, to connect and see things....but then what? Further, is Bloodraven/Bran hoping to stop/kill the Others as a whole? Or are they looking to mediate/possibly come to agreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 I figured that because the Starks were once a line of Kings, Bran and Rickon were called Princes.. Because House Baratheon wasn't a line of Kings (descending from Orys, a bastard), Stannis and Renly didn't automatically become Princes. I suppose Lysa was too far in her pregnancy. According to my knowledge of herbal abortive potions (that are a bit popular around here...), you can't use it past three or four months, mostly because they don't work (not that they 100% work). Considering that many ladies take MT the next day, I suppose Hoster wanted to be 100% sure Lysa won't remain pregnant and gave her a more potent mix. I figured that Hoster, wanting to be extra certain (perhaps because, as you say, she was already pregnant for some time, though she can't have been visibly showing), had extra tansy added to the mixture, hence the deathbed mummers about "tansy".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Creeping Knight Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 What about Maekar, then? Also, pretty much every other Targaryen was called a Prince, even Egg, who was fourth son of a fourth son.Which was probably more of a Tagaryem thing and Robert and the Baratheons might have wanted to distance themselves from their ways in some aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 When Robert became king Stannis was not Lord of DS and Renly was not Lord of SE. It might be a shift in protocol post-Targaryens or an oversight by GRRM. It is odd because Stannis is Lord of DS, but then Joffrey is not Prince of DS. A lord is not more prestigious than a prince. When Robert became king they became Lord of DS and Lord of SE. And those lordships are more prestigious then prince. Perhaps they were Princes until Joffrey came along and became heir? Or because they were not born princes they never became princes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 When Robert became king they became Lord of DS and Lord of SE. And those lordships are more prestigious then prince. Perhaps they were Princes until Joffrey came along and became heir? Or because they were not born princes they never became princes.Stannis only came to Dragonstone in 287 AC.. We don't know whether he officially held the title of Lord of Dragonstone before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy the Schnoz Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Will we ever see the Kraken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beron Stark Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 What about the Lands Of the Long Summer? What do we know about it? What theories have people came up with? I mean, there is a Land of Always Winter and a Land Of Long Summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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