Knight Of Winter Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Waters, I'd say. All three of them were born, raised and lived their all life in Crownlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Waters, I'd say. All three of them were born, raised and lived their all life in Crownlands.But both of their parents are from the West so I'd say Hill would be more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 But both of their parents are from the West so I'd say Hill would be more appropriate. Dunno. Robert sired bastards all over the kingdom with various mothers, yet there is plenty of variety in their surnames - Stone, Storm, Waters etc. In short, it doesn't seem that parents' heritage factors much, while thesis that bastards are named after region they're born and raised in is consistent with books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Dunno. Robert sired bastards all over the kingdom with various mothers, yet there is plenty of variety in their surnames - Stone, Storm, Waters etc. In short, it doesn't seem that parents' heritage factors much, while thesis that bastards are named after region they're born and raised in is consistent with books. Oberyn's bastards are all named Sand, no matter where they were sired, born and raised. There's room for variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayrouse Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Does the fact that rhaenyra's children with non valyrian ser Harwin Strong ended up with three hatched dragons suggest that valyrian heritage is not that important when dealing with dragons particularly when her son with valyrian Prince Daemon (viserys) could not hatch a dragon egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Does the fact that rhaenyra's children with non valyrian ser Harwin Strong ended up with three hatched dragons suggest that valyrian heritage is not that important when dealing with dragons particularly when her son with valyrian Prince Daemon (viserys) could not hatch a dragon egg?It is as of yet unproven that the three boys were Harwins. The Arryn looks are similar, after all.One can wonder why Viserys' egg did not.hatch. Perhaps the magic was already disappearing... Rhaena's first hatchling died soon, and those born after the Dance did not live long either.But to say it was only Viserys' blood.... Dany descents from him, and she has hatched three dragons.If blood was a factor, it most certainly was not the only one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Maester Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The bastard-surname seems to be pretty much up to the parent who names/raises the child. Child was born in Dorne but you raise him in North? Call him Snow. Child born to Stormslands father but raised by a mother in the Vale? Call her Stone. Etc. The Lannister bastards would be Waters or Hills most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 It is as of yet unproven that the three boys were Harwins. The Arryn looks are similar, after all.One can wonder why Viserys' egg did not.hatch. Perhaps the magic was already disappearing... Rhaena's first hatchling died soon, and those born after the Dance did not live long either.But to say it was only Viserys' blood.... Dany descents from him, and she has hatched three dragons.If blood was a factor, it most certainly was not the only one... Adding to a great answer, all we know about the situation outside the main series and D&E is from the knowledge of the Maesters. That, Ilio and Linda stated in an interview is satiated with so much knowlege, that the Maesters have a hard time to tell, what they actually do know.Were the 3 strong boys actually Strong boys?Is the Targaryen view about pure blood accurate?Or has it something to do with the magic fading as @Rhaenys_Targaryen adds to the list? Knowing that after the dance for quite a while dragon eggs did not hatch, it may seem so.Or is it also a matter of good fortune, if she has a part to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Does the fact that rhaenyra's children with non valyrian ser Harwin Strong ended up with three hatched dragons suggest that valyrian heritage is not that important when dealing with dragons particularly when her son with valyrian Prince Daemon (viserys) could not hatch a dragon egg?The boys were almost certainly Harwin's sons, but their mum provided all the dragon they needed. Viserys lost his egg young, and we don't know whether he ever tried to bond with another egg or dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 The boys were almost certainly Harwin's sons, but their mum provided all the dragon they needed. Viserys lost his egg young, and we don't know whether he ever tried to bond with another egg or dragon. It isn't stated anywhere that Viserys lost his egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 It isn't stated anywhere that Viserys lost his egg?I guess you're right about that. I must have assumed he lost it aboard the Gay Abandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 I guess you're right about that. I must have assumed he lost it aboard the Gay Abandon.Could be. He is described as taking his egg whereever he went. So it could be he took it on the ship.But he's not mentioned to have lost it, as far as I can currently recall. Perhaps in the uncut version? Could also be that the Lyseni who caught him kept the egg, as a proof of who the boy was (just as Manderly feels that the direwolf will proof who Rickon is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ah, TPATQ does state that he took it with him on the ship, and says that he hid the egg when he disguised himself. The fate of the egg is not mentioned further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Could be. He is described as taking his egg whereever he went. So it could be he took it on the ship.But he's not mentioned to have lost it, as far as I can currently recall. Perhaps in the uncut version? Could also be that the Lyseni who caught him kept the egg, as a proof of who the boy was (just as Manderly feels that the direwolf will proof who Rickon is).He had the egg with him. Aegon was able to fly away but Viserys only had the egg. We're told he hid it when he disguised himself, but we're not given any more info about it that I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Why was Daemon Blackfyre named Blackfyre and not Waters ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Why was Daemon Blackfyre named Blackfyre and not Waters ? He was Daemon Waters until Aegon legitimised him and gave him lands, making him founder of House Blackfyre. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 He was Daemon Waters until Aegon legitimised him and gave him lands, making him founder of House Blackfyre. .. Until Aegon legitimised him, after which he choose the name Blackfyre for his own ;) His legitimatization did not automatically make him the founder of House Blackfyre.. He could have chosen to have remained Daemon Waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordImp Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 What about Shiera Seastar where did that name come from? I dont know so much about names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 What about Shiera Seastar where did that name come from? I dont know so much about names.Be sure to read at least as far down as Yolkboy's post...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/99023-a-star-of-the-sea-quaithe-shiera-seastar-connecting-the-dots/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han Lotion Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Why are there no stories of historic Starks and their direwolves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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