The Wolves Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Why are there no stories of historic Starks and their direwolves?Because GRRM doesn't have the time to write any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Can the Daynes of High Hermitage become sword of the Morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Can the Daynes of High Hermitage become sword of the Morning?We don't know any SoM from High H. but this branch seems to be young so maybe there wasn't any member worthy of title.The Sword of the Morning is a title of House Dayne bestowed on the knight who bears the ancestral greatsword Dawn. Only a knight of House Dayne who is deemed worthy can carry it.For this reason, the Swords of the Morning are all famous throughout the Seven Kingdoms.If there is no Dayne knight considered worthy, the title lies dormant; the last to bear the title was Ser Arthur Dayne, a famed knight of the Kingsguard. it says nothing about which Dayne's branch members can be SoM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Gerold is only known Dayne of High Hermitage, so he may be first Kinight of High H. and founder of this house ...By the way, today I've added him as an example of landed knight to the wiki... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Gerold is only known Dayne of High Hermitage, so he may be first Kinight of High H. and founder of this house ...By the way, today I've added him as an example of landed knight to the wiki...Why? He's described as a knight or HH, not as the knight of HH. Withouy proof, he should not be added to that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Why? He's described as a knight or HH, not as the knight of HH. Withouy proof, he should not be added to that listOhh.... he is decribed as Knight of Starfall Myrcella would have time enough to learn the history of the orphans on her voyage up the river. Arianne led her queen-to-be to the final member of her little band. "Last, but first in valor, I give you Ser Gerold Dayne, a knight of Starfall."But why? I think it's because he is first Dayne of HH and before he lived at Starfall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gerold_Dayne his article describes him as Knight of High Hermitage ( however it has no source ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 He could be a Dayne from High Hermitage and a knight sworn to Starfall,making him both a Dayne of High Hermitage and also a knight of Starfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ah yes, the appendix of Feast lists him as "the" knight of HH... I stand corrected.That should also be the missing source ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ah yes, the appendix of Feast lists him as "the" knight of HH... I stand corrected.That should also be the missing source ;)When we don't know if landed knight uses his title "Knight of Whatever" ( he has right to do so ) can we add "Knight of..." title on wiki?What is reference code for appendixes? {{ref|affc| ???}} ?Edit: ok, now I know {{ref|AFFC|Appendix}} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Also, when last male of landed knights house dies, and lefts no male descendants but daughter, what happens? In Dorne this daughter is still his heir ( for example Sylva Santagar heir of ser Symon Santagar ), so what will her title ( if she doesn't marry somebody)?Lady of .... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 When we don't know if landed knight uses his title "Knight of Whatever" ( he has right to do so ) can we add "Knight of..." title on wiki?What is reference code for appendixes? {{ref|affc| ???}} ?No, I don't think we should do that unless it is specified they use such a title.Appendix code is {{ref|affc|Appendix}} for FeastAlso, when last male of landed knights house dies, and lefts no male descendants but daughter, what happens? In Dorne this daughter is still his heir ( for example Sylva Santagar heir of ser Symon Santagar ), so what will her title ( if she doesn't marry somebody)?Lady of .... ?I'm not certain on the title of Sylva. It's Lady now, because she's wed Lord Estermont. Perhaps lady (no capitols)?I'll try to look for an example.In the other kingdoms, the daughter should be the heir, though she'll most likely give up command of the seat when she marries.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ohh.... he is decribed as Knight of Starfall But why? I think it's because he is first Dayne of HH and before he lived at Starfall...He is a knight of Starfall, not the Knight of Starfall...ETA I see R_T found the solution in the Appendix. She's really awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 No, I don't think we should do that unless it is specified they use such a title.Appendix code is {{ref|affc|Appendix}} for FeastI'm not certain on the title of Sylva. It's Lady now, because she's wed Lord Estermont. Perhaps lady (no capitols)?I'll try to look for an example.In the other kingdoms, the daughter should be the heir, though she'll most likely give up command of the seat when she marries..I think any noble can be called lord or lady as a termbof courtesy and/or deterrence. But as to a landed knight's estate, assuming he holds it in perpetuity, his heir would have whatever rights he had. A landed knight is like a lord without some limited prerogatives. So if the Knight of Ninestars died with only a daughter, she would become the lady of Ninestars. Eventually her husband would become the Knight of Ninestars, and their son later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drekinn Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Could Taena be an agent of Illyrio/Varys? Re-reading AFFC now and her attempts at creating scorn between the Tyrells and Cersei seem they could fit in the whole ''Aegon master plan''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Could Taena be an agent of Illyrio/Varys? Re-reading AFFC now and her attempts at creating scorn between the Tyrells and Cersei seem they could fit in the whole ''Aegon master plan''.Absolutely. Here are some threads discussing the issue...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61712-taena-who-is-she-spying-for/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/102668-taena-merryweather-works-for-varys/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119213-taena-merrywhether/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Why are there no stories of historic Starks and their direwolves? They've been gone from the Seven Kingdoms for two hundred years, and we haven't yet gotten a story set that far back in time. I'm not sure we ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drekinn Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Absolutely. Here are some threads discussing the issue...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61712-taena-who-is-she-spying-for/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/102668-taena-merryweather-works-for-varys/http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119213-taena-merrywhether/ Thanks for that. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han Lotion Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm talking about a story within the text. There are no legends or tales of Starks and their direwolves. Are we supposed to believe Ned's children are the only Starks to ever have direwolves? That wouldn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm talking about a story within the text. There are no legends or tales of Starks and their direwolves. Are we supposed to believe Ned's children are the only Starks to ever have direwolves? That wouldn't make sense. Oh. It's possible Ned's children were the first, or at least the first in non-legendary history (in other words since around the conquest.) We don't get any stories about the Arryns and their falcons. Nor do we hear about the Greyjoys and their krakens or the Baratheons having pet stags. The Targaryens and to a lesser extent the Lannisters seem to be unusual cases in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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