Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 So this isn't a theory, just a gripe. I just started AGOT again, and I can't get over the utter incompetence of Ned's "investigation" of Jon Arryn's death, specifically that none of it was necessary if he had just done the single most obvious thing to do, go talk to Stannis! Seriously, I'm no Stan-Stan here, I like the guy well enough, but I don't think this is ultimately his story, but every clue Ned finds seems to point him in Stannis's direction. Yet despite Stan the Man being a relatively short boat ride away, Ned never even contemplates going to see him, nor sending an envoy, not even a freaking raven. The closest he comes is asking Renly if he's ever going come back. By the time he finally tries to contact him, it's already too late, his head is in the noose and he doesn't even see it. I consider this a two way street of incompetence as well. Stannis should have been the one sending secret messages to Ned at Winterfell instead of Lysa, or have Davos smuggle in notes to him in King's Landing. I know they didn't have much love for each other but they do have a mutual respect, and each needed the other as an ally, so for both to sit on their hands is monumentally dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Ned sent Stannis ravens requesting that he come back, only for Stannis to ignore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 So this isn't a theory, just a gripe. I just started AGOT again, and I can't get over the utter incompetence of Ned's "investigation" of Jon Arryn's death, specifically that none of it was necessary if he had just done the single most obvious thing to do, go talk to Stannis! Seriously, I'm no Stan-Stan here, I like the guy well enough, but I don't think this is ultimately his story, but every clue Ned finds seems to point him in Stannis's direction. Yet despite Stan the Man being a relatively short boat ride away, Ned never even contemplates going to see him, nor sending an envoy, not even a freaking raven. The closest he comes is asking Renly if he's ever going come back. By the time he finally tries to contact him, it's already too late, his head is in the noose and he doesn't even see it. I consider this a two way street of incompetence as well. Stannis should have been the one sending secret messages to Ned at Winterfell instead of Lysa, or have Davos smuggle in notes to him in King's Landing. I know they didn't have much love for each other but they do have a mutual respect, and each needed the other as an ally, so for both to sit on their hands is monumentally dumb.Can you show us the clues that lead to Stannis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Stannis ignored his Ravens and Ned was in the process of sending an envoy to him with letter when the shit hit the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Ned's investigation consisted of talking to the people LF told him to talk to. So he reached the conclusion LF wanted him to reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 What Ned sent Stannis ravens requesting that he come back, only for Stannis to ignore them. What could Stan have reasonably done? I imagine ravens take a bit longer to travel than emails, or even the notoriously slow US postal service. Even if stan got it, he could not swoop in to save the day with his meager number of lords sworn to dragonstone. He had to build up his strength, buy for time etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 What What could Stan have reasonably done? I imagine ravens take a bit longer to travel than emails, or even the notoriously slow US postal service. Even if stan got it, he could not swoop in to save the day with his meager number of lords sworn to dragonstone. He had to build up his strength, buy for time etc.I don't remember when Ned started sending the ravens, but a simple "Cersei's kids are bastards" from Stannis would've gone a long way in helping Ned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 What could Stan have reasonably done? Not abandon Robert, Renly, and Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendel Shoemaker Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I don't remember when Ned started sending the ravens, but a simple "Cersei's kids are bastards" from Stannis would've gone a long way in helping Ned I don't think Stannis was ready to reveal that to the world. Not very surprised he didn't trust sharing his treason thoughts with the hand of the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 How could he have helped them? Stannis couldn't storm Kings landing with the armies he had in COK, never mind in AGOT. Ned was probably dead by the time Stannis even received the letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Stannis was summoned to court by Ned.In regards to Stannis sending messages to Ned before Ned tried to contact him, why would he? Ned's no one to him and Stannis has no reason to believe that Ned would believe him. Then again maybe Stannis had no intention of informing anyone until it benefited him the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Lion Tail Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Stannis probably realizes now that it would be much easier to rally the North to his cause if he were more proactive and didn't let their Lords head fall off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The problem is Ned trusted the wrong people in a city that Robert and Baelish told him that was rife with corruption. He should have had Luwin conducting the investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Hi everyone in King's Landing, I'm the new Hand of the King but I'm going off to investigate why my sister in law thinks the Queen had the last Hand of the King killed. Yeah, somehow in print, that doesn't sound like its going to work out for Ned either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Ned was Hand of the King, he could not abandon his duty to visit Dragonstone. He had the authority to summon Stannis to KL to resume his seat on the council and he did. Stannis disobeyed a direct order, how was Ned to know if Stannis would be any help or would even be an ally? There is a conversation with Jory where Ned is unsure what to make of Stannis's prolonged absence and even wonders if he could have had something to do with Jon Arryn's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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