ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Especially in an invitation-only tourney. Only the jousting is invitation only. There will be a melee as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messem Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Mithras is on the money here. Something massive is going to happen at the Tourney. I mean, really, a tourney while the entire Realm is at war? ... Shadrich is obviously there for Sansa, but I don't buy him kidnapping her. He has probably already been paid off by Littlefinger anyway. The entire realm is at war? The Ironborn raiding the Reach. Far away from the Vale. Stannis "fled" to the Wall. Dragonstone is taken. it seems that nobody knows of Aegon yet. So, where is the war? LF hans't payed Shadrich off. No way. LF trusts no one. He certainly does not trust some new knight with unknown affiliations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messem Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I'm surprised anyone actually thinks Harry is going to survive the tournament. It is actually not that easy to kill somebody while jousting. If the plan was to kill HtH during the jousting it would be a bad plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It is actually not that easy to kill somebody while jousting. If the plan was to kill HtH during the jousting it would be a bad plan. The melee is the event to watch. That's where unexpected participants are going to show up. And there is nothing stopping jousters from participating in the melee as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It is actually not that easy to kill somebody while jousting. If the plan was to kill HtH during the jousting it would be a bad plan. That is why it will be done in the melee. But Aerion Brightflame nearly killed a Hardyng in the joust. Gregor killed Hugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messem Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 But Aerion Brightflame nearly killed a Hardyng in the joust. Gregor killed Hugh. Nearly isn't good enough if have to plan to kill someone. Gregor was an excellent jouster and Ser Hugh didn't have complete armor IIRC. Meele ist a good place to kill someone though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Why not? They showed up in ADWD. Because there's no way the entirety of their encounter with Lady Stoneheart is going to occur offscreen, and quite besides that, they have no idea where Sansa is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Because there's no way the entirety of their encounter with Lady Stoneheart is going to occur offscreen, and quite besides that, they have no idea where Sansa is. What encounter with Lady Stoneheart? You are mistaking fan theories for facts. We were never promised an encounter with Lady Stoneheart. Brienne's mission was "take the sword and kill the kingslayer" not "take the rope and tie up the kingslayer and bring him to me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grail King Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 What encounter with Lady Stoneheart? You are mistaking fan theories for facts. We were never promised an encounter with Lady Stoneheart. Brienne's mission was "take the sword and kill the kingslayer" not "take the rope and tie up the kingslayer and bring him to me". Maybe Brienne brings back Jamie and demands LSH follow the Stark words of he who condemns swings the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Maybe Brienne brings back Jamie and demands LSH follow the Stark words of he who condemns swings the sword. Maybe. As long as we're just speculating. But someone claimed we know for a fact that Brienne brings Jaime before LS. He also claimed we know for a fact that this event will occur "onscreen". He also seems to assume we know for a fact that this "onscreen" event will NOT appear in Book 6 prior to the Alayne sample chapter we are discussing. That's alot of assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I love the idea of Harry the Heir getting "offed" at the tournament/melee. Partially because if Sansa is to finally get wed and bed, I want it to be someone who actually gives a damn about her and be loyal and kind to her (this does not include Baelish). The other reason is that it fits with Littlefinger's personality, he undoubtably wants her for himself and knowing that she is still a virgin, he covets her even more but he cannot do so until some time has passed, he is hoping and probably helping search for Tyrion so that he can be killed, therefore releasing Sansa for that reason. Littlefinger is the one that intends to marry Sansa and he will not give her up to no one unless it is possibly King Aegon but he may be taken out by that time, if it comes. This whole thing in the Vale / Spectacle is a Razzle-Dazzle show for Sansa's visual experience and is one big distraction/time killer. Harry is doomed as he is a threat to Littlefinger in regards to power of the Vale and Sansa's hand. He has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Maybe. As long as we're just speculating. But someone claimed we know for a fact that Brienne brings Jaime before LS. He also claimed we know for a fact that this event will occur "onscreen". He also seems to assume we know for a fact that this "onscreen" event will NOT appear in Book 6 prior to the Alayne sample chapter we are discussing. That's alot of assumptions. It's one rather basic assumption, that huge leaps in story with key characters are not going to occur offscreen with no buildup. Harry is doomed as he is a threat to Littlefinger in regards to power of the Vale and Sansa's hand. He has to go. Nothing we've seen shows Harry as a threat to Littlefinger's power in the Vale, and the only reason Harry is even remotely connected to Sansa's "hand" is because Littlefinger made it so. Moreover, there's really nothing in the series supporting the idea that Littlefinger is obsessed with Sansa's virginity and cannot stomach the idea of making use of her in his plans that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 It's one rather basic assumption, that huge leaps in story with key characters are not going to occur offscreen with no buildup. You mean like Bran & Rickon escaping from Winterfell, doubling back, and then hiding in the crypts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 You mean like Bran & Rickon escaping from Winterfell, doubling back, and then hiding in the crypts? Not remotely comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Not remotely comparable. Okay. Let's stick to the current situation. What you find unthinkable has already happened. Brienne's hanging cliffhanger has been resolved without us ever finding out what happened to her in the interim, from her own POV. Her POV seems to have stopped without an update, and events have flown by without one. Same with Jaime. When we last heard from him, we thought he next major event would be no more than a day's ride away, according to the story told Jaime by Brienne. But that day has come and gone; and we have not had an update from Jaime's POV. Surely he has found out by now that Brienne lied to him. Meanwhile, he is known to be missing in King's Landing, and has been missing for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bironic Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Same with Jaime. When we last heard from him, we thought he next major event would be no more than a day's ride away, according to the story told Jaime by Brienne. But that day has come and gone; and we have not had an update from Jaime's POV. Surely he has found out by now that Brienne lied to him. Meanwhile, he is known to be missing in King's Landing, and has been missing for weeks. In TWOW there could be a Jaime (or a Brienne) chapter that follows straight after their encounter at Pennytree. The chapters aren't absolutely chronological. BTW we know from an Arya chapter in ASOS that the mountain Passes are closed, the only way in and out of the Vale now is by ship. I think it's not impossible that Brienne/Jaime/Blackfish take a ship in Maidenpool/Duskendale/KL, but it is not very likely either. They would have to travel through most of the Riverlands unnoticed and unhindered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 In TWOW there could be a Jaime (or a Brienne) chapter that follows straight after their encounter at Pennytree. The chapters aren't absolutely chronological. In which case the chapter could appear prior to the Alayne sample chapter we are discussing, as I already suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossanova Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Maybe not a winged knight but I think Brienne will show up in some way with Jamie to protect Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 That is why it will be done in the melee. But Aerion Brightflame nearly killed a Hardyng in the joust. Gregor killed Hugh. Gregor could only kill because he didn't wear his armor properly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 In which case the chapter could appear prior to the Alayne sample chapter we are discussing, as I already suggested. This chapter was originally from ADWD, and we know that no Jaime or Brienne chapters were removed from ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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