Could Sansa annul her own marriage? [SPOILERS]

[Bironic]

I honestly don't remember if that was show, book or both. I've been re-watching all of the seasons coming up to the premier and simultaneously re-reading Bran (which led me to Sam, which led me to Jon, you know how that shit goes, lol) so some of the small facts are a little muddled for me right now. :)

Sounds very familiar. ;)

[Colonel Green]

and now she had finally admitted to herself that Tyrion as a person was kind and probably not that bad.

Er, that's not a new thing. She knew he was kind all along. That just didn't change that she didn't want to marry him.

[Luddagain]

Has no one noticed that Tyrion sort of deliberately took the blame for Joffrey's death because he BELIEVES Sansa was the poisoner.Tyrion spilled the wine because he was thinking to protect Sansa

[DarkSister1001]

Has no one noticed that Tyrion sort of deliberately took the blame for Joffrey's death because he BELIEVES Sansa was the poisoner.Tyrion spilled the wine because he was thinking to protect Sansa

I took it as more of a, "fuck, yes blame me for everything, I'm screwed anyway" kind of approach.

[Petyr Patter]

First, a correction of semantics.

No, Sansa cannot under any law annul her own marriage.

She can, however, request an annulment from either the High Septim or a Council of the Faith. Yes, she can make that request on her own, or have another party write a letter to the High Septim on her behalf.

I have no idea how he'd respond, though. He certainly doesn't owe Tyrion, Sansa, or Littlefinger any favors. Plus, he'd be well aware that divorcing the daughter and heir of a Lord Paramount from the son and heir (sort of) of another Lord Paramount so she can marry the heir of a third Lord Paramount is INCREDIBLY POLITICAL. It is not something he would just do because the form was nicely signed in triplicate.

As for the marriage being invalid under religious grounds... if true than Sansa really is a bastard because Eddard and Catelyn were married in a Riverrun sept in a Seven ceremony. In Westeros, the vows appear to be legally binding across faiths, which makes sense considering the multitude of religious faiths that do exist: The Old Gods, The Drowned God, The Seven, and now The Red God.

The issue of force is a more complicated one. Sansa could claim she was forced, but there were a ton of noble witnesses who saw Sansa walk to the aisle with vary a blade. Plenty of woman get married in Westeros not because they really want to, but because its better than the alternative (silent sisters, disowning, etc.). So, it is a really grey area.

[Colonel Green]

The issue of force is a more complicated one. Sansa could claim she was forced, but there were a ton of noble witnesses who saw Sansa walk to the aisle with vary a blade. Plenty of woman get married in Westeros not because they really want to, but because its better than the alternative (silent sisters, disowning, etc.). So, it is a really grey area.

That's really not complicated. Anybody with half a brain knows that Sansa was a hostage-bride. It's merely a question of whether it's in their interest to acknowledge that or not.

[Ser Joe the Unknighted]

I think the intent is to eventually declare Sansa with the support of the Vale behind the Bloody Gates where it's hard to reach them and Use her ties to the Riverlands and the North to try and unify the three through her and Harry.

[RandomUser191]

it's the same situation as in modern politics.

if the supporters of the annulment hold the greater power, she can get the marriage annuled. meaning, if sansa's annulment would suit (for example) the lords declarent's, tyrells' the faith's, etc. agenda, they could and would annul it.

[Woman of War]

And maybe Tyrion would be in a position of power by then and he would be happy to wave Sansa goodbye.

I still think that the annulment might be an easy thing at some point of the story and that is why it won't happen because both parties concerned decide against it. Or the height of irony: Sansa and Tyrion annul their marriage, remembering that they never wanted each other, only to realize that they finally feel at home with each other.

Obviously Martin would only write a plot like that if he can convince us all, otherwise we'd get another story. But a twist like that, in-story subversion of all expectations, would certainly be rather martinesque.

[DarkSister1001]

I can't remember, has anyone else in the story had their marriage annulled?

[Woman of War]

Tyrion and Tysha, Tywin arranged this

[DarkSister1001]

Tyrion and Tysha, Tywin arranged this

Oh right, duh. Thanks.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Well, its most likely that Tywin demanded Tyrion annul his first marriage. I'm pretty sure he did, because Tywin had been proposing other matches for Tyrion for years, and Tywin is smart enough not to marry his already married son (it would be humiliating to the Lannisters and whichever family took Tyrion and would be a terrible political faux pas). And Tyrion probably wanted to be free from Tysha when he mistakenly believed she played him false, and would willingly get an annulment. But it still hasn't been clearly stated what happened, so there could be a lot more to the story.

Nope. We know that Tyrion didn't because Tyrion doesn't remember ever demanding that.

Tywin has a huge blind spot where there are limits to his power. Granted, he had cause, nobody but an utter fanatic would even dream of holding House Lannister to that marriage and there hasn't been one since Baelor the Befuddled - but the High Sparrow is such a fanatic!

Or, the simplest possible thing, Tywin just had her killed. It's Tywin Lannister we're talking about, after all.

Might be. Which would need to be proven for Tyrion to wed again as a widower.

Tyrion and Tysha, Tywin arranged this

Nope. Tywin swept it under the rug instead of jumping through the hoops of Faith law and trial.

[The Tower of Almond Joy]

Why wasn't Jaime tried for regicide? or made to step down from the King's guard? Yet Tyrion was tried and is being hunted. And Sansa is in hiding. I am assuming Tywin was protecting Jaime. But still, shouldn't Jaime have been punished?

[Colonel Green]

Why wasn't Jaime tried for regicide? or made to step down from the King's guard? Yet Tyrion was tried and is being hunted. And Sansa is in hiding. I am assuming Tywin was protecting Jaime. But still, shouldn't Jaime have been punished?

He was pardoned by Robert.

[Lord Damian]

All she has to do is make a written statement to the local leader of the faith/septon, submit to a physical exam led by septas that shows her "maiden-head" is still intact and the annulment should be no-sweat. It is the problem that arrises when she reveals her true identity as the Lannister-faction is still in power in King's Landing and she is attainted traitor for Regicide.

[Ser Creighton]

That's really not complicated. Anybody with half a brain knows that Sansa was a hostage-bride. It's merely a question of whether it's in their interest to acknowledge that or not.

Well ackording to Littlefinger in Crows 41 when makes the betrothal, part of his plan is for Sansa to win Harry over. The other part he stated was they had to wait for Cersei to fall, which he seems to expect and for Tyrion to be executed or killed. He also expects Robin to die and seems happy enough to help that along.

So it would seem he wants to buy time and expects those things to happen before he reveals the young She Wolf to the Vale and reunites the Vale and Winterfell.

[SacredOrderOfGreenMen]

When Bran returns and rules as the King of Winter, he can simply annul her marriage on his own royal authority. Neither wants to be married anyway, and the Faith is imploding.

[SacredOrderOfGreenMen]

2) Forced marriage is common in Westeros. For Example Rodrik Cassel thinks that Ramsay's marriage to Lady Hornwood was legal, although he knew it was forced.

3) Sansa will most likely marry a follower of the 7, she lives in the south, so this would only function if she were somewhere in the north. And even then it is unlikely that they will accept it as reason to declare her marriage illegal.

1) This is the most probable cause. It's easy to set aside a marriage that was never consummated. Justin Massey mentions this to Stannis.

"Vows said at sword point are not valid", for what that counts, which is not very much, admittedly.

[Lord Damian]

Regime change. Aegon takes Kings Landing and Sansa can come out in the open. - This is what I think will happen and this is what I think is a possibility of what may become of it. - Aegon needs another ally other than Dorne, it is said by his advisors and the Vale is mentioned directly, Sansa, somehow may become the object of Aegon's attention and become his desire, thus she can escape Harry and possibly Littlefinger. I do not see book Sansa going back to Winterfell but the show is really fucking with my head so I will just concentrate on the books for now. Littlefinger would profit more from a Sansa marriage to the King of Westeros far more than wife to Harry the Asshole anytime, anywhere and we all know it.