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Football XXXVI: Race for the top four


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Really? UCL is the best football tournament.

Is it though? Yeah, it's probably a thrilling experience (for fans and players) to win the thing. But you could easily make the case that winning your domestic league is a far bigger achievement than winning the CL, or any other cup competition for that matter. In the CL you are, to a certain extent, reliant on luck. Luck of the draw, and in the knockout stages, luck always plays a major part. And you can't win the league on a penalty shootout. In the league, the best team almost always wins the title. And anyone who watched the 2012 final knows that isn't always the case with the CL.

I love when United wins the league, but the night on Moscow when we won UCL for me was one of the happiest days in my life and was far more happy than any other time for a football match.

For me, nothing will ever come close to winning the league at Anfield in '89.

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'89 was a special case though. It was pretty much a final. :P But that is another thing- knockout competitions lend themselves to more memorable winning moments, since it's possible to win a league superbly without any single moment standing out. Although thinking on it I suspect Arsenal fans have a slightly unique perspective because they have a slight history of particularly dramatic winning moments, like when they secured the league at Old Trafford one time.


I'll definitely remember the '99 CL final the most clearly for a long long time.

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'89 was a special case though. It was pretty much a final. :P But that is another thing- knockout competitions lend themselves to more memorable winning moments, since it's possible to win a league superbly without any single moment standing out. Although thinking on it I suspect Arsenal fans have a slightly unique perspective because they have a slight history of particularly dramatic winning moments, like when they secured the league at Old Trafford one time.

I'll definitely remember the '99 CL final the most clearly for a long long time.

Yeah, winning the league at Old Trafford was special, but for me the achievement is eclipsed by the win at Anfield, because in 1989 Liverpool simply did not lose by two goals at home. Nobody really gave us a chance that night, and the fact we left it so late to get the second made it all the more amazing. But not quite as amazing as United's CL victory in '99. Fuck me, that was unbelievable (as was Liverpool's comeback in 2005).

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Did you not read my posts? I used words like thrilling and amazing to describe the experience of winning it.

And there are many people who, just like me and regardless of affiliation, believe winning their domestic league is a bigger achievement.

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I agree with you that it takes luck to win the CL and in a domestic league the best team always wins but winning the CL is the pinnacle of club football and coming from someone who's watched his team do both, it's the most amazing feeling there is. Though winning the league is pretty amazing too.

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Did you not read my posts? I used words like thrilling and amazing to describe the experience of winning it.

And there are many people who, just like me and regardless of affiliation, believe winning their domestic league is a bigger achievement.

Agreed. Never really got the fuss about the Champions League. Maybe it'll come in time but as a kid I never dreamed of City being good in Europe. I dreamed of winning the FA Cup and the Premier League.

Eta: And generally dreamed of not getting relegated

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Third time in three seasons that Sunderland have gone into the derby with a manager on his second game. It's consistency of a sort I guess... and it's seemed to work.




Eta: I must confess though that I haven't got a lot of time for the kind of chap who feels the need to record themselves on their phone while whipping out the chants.


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I barely commented on the game yesterday, but watching Sakho, Toure, Allen and Lucas try to play their way out of the back four was almost painful. We played well, but injuries to key players and luck was certainly on our side.

We were caught pressing way too high up the pitch and Liverpool had several 2 v 2 against our centre backs, but for one reason or another, they couldn't score the goal.

Also, is Lovren that bad that he picked Toure over him? ( haven't really seen enough of the two of them, tbh) The latter seemed really jittery on the ball.

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