Ser Daegon Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Something in the new Alayne "Winged Knights" chapter that Martin recently posted caught my eye on my second read through the other day. Myranda Royce describes the Waynwood boys as "Horse-faced," and when Anya Waynwood's party arrives, her sons and grandsons are described as long faced. I wonder is this is a trait they picked up from the Starks, as Catelyn stated to Robb back in SOS that Eddard's Grandfather had a sister who married a Waynwood. If true, I don't think it will have anything to do with the story, but I do find it rather interesting. Could Sansa be related to them all? Could she be related to Harry the Heir? I just find it interesting, and a subtle reference by George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Yes, they are the cousins mentioned by Robb as possible successors to him when discussing his will in ASOS before he makes his final decision and sends his will North with Glover and Mormont. "The Cousins in the Vale" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewolfStark Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Something in the new Alayne "Winged Knights" chapter that Martin recently posted caught my eye on my second read through the other day. Myranda Royce describes the Waynwood boys as "Horse-faced," and when Anya Waynwood's party arrives, her sons and grandsons are described as long faced. I wonder is this is a trait they picked up from the Starks, as Catelyn stated to Robb back in SOS that Eddard's Grandfather had a sister who married a Waynwood. If true, I don't think it will have anything to do with the story, but I do find it rather interesting. Could Sansa be related to them all? Could she be related to Harry the Heir? I just find it interesting, and a subtle reference by George. That was what I thought as well. And Jocelyn Stark married a Royce from a cadet branch, who had three daughters, one of the daughters married a Waynwood, another a Templeton, and the last a Corbray and given the apparent age of Anya Waynwood (old enough to have a 25 year old grandson)--Anya could be one of them. When I originally thought of this idea, I had thought Anya might be the daughter of one of them. So the Corbrays, the Waynwoods, and Symond Templeton theoretically should all be Sansa's cousins. Which I think makes the fact that Sansa is helping Petyr to undermine them as part of Sansa's larger theme: her betrayal of her family (per Martin's letter to his editor). Personally, I always took the Lords Declarant to be the Stark cousins & their allies--it would make the most sense, and it would make matters all the more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I wonder if Sansa knows that or she was exempted from such teachings as that's more about ruling. It seems weird that she wouldn't know, she doesn't have the same record as Arya about thinking more about people who actually know you versus those who are alien to you even if they are family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickdt Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 That was what I thought as well. And Jocelyn Stark married a Royce from a cadet branch, who had three daughters, one of the daughters married a Waynwood, another a Templeton, and the last a Corbray and given the apparent age of Anya Waynwood (old enough to have a 25 year old grandson)--Anya could be one of them. When I originally thought of this idea, I had thought Anya might be the daughter of one of them. So the Corbrays, the Waynwoods, and Symond Templeton theoretically should all be Sansa's cousins. Which I think makes the fact that Sansa is helping Petyr to undermine them as part of Sansa's larger theme: her betrayal of her family (per Martin's letter to his editor). Personally, I always took the Lords Declarant to be the Stark cousins & their allies--it would make the most sense, and it would make matters all the more interesting. That would also explain why they are so angry not off Lysa decision to not join Robb in his Rebellion. They feel like they betrayed kin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weirwoods Eyes Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I don't think we can assume from anything Sansa has thought that she is aware of the Waynwood/Templeton/Corbray connection, And Royce too if Jocelyn Stark wed a Royce of the cadet branch then Randa etc are also Kin of hers, not to mention that as we have seen via the family tree the Royce's married into the Starks as well. So they share blood in both directions. Sansa never thinks anything of it and Robb had to be reminded by Cat too so I don't think they were emphasised as relations during the children's schooling and whatever was taught them she seems to have failed to retain. Which is very normal, kids don't remember everything they get told. I do think that the relationships will be revealed though and be important. But so far it is clear Sansa is unaware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That was what I thought as well. And Jocelyn Stark married a Royce from a cadet branch, who had three daughters, one of the daughters married a Waynwood, another a Templeton, and the last a Corbray and given the apparent age of Anya Waynwood (old enough to have a 25 year old grandson)--Anya could be one of them. When I originally thought of this idea, I had thought Anya might be the daughter of one of them. So the Corbrays, the Waynwoods, and Symond Templeton theoretically should all be Sansa's cousins. Which I think makes the fact that Sansa is helping Petyr to undermine them as part of Sansa's larger theme: her betrayal of her family (per Martin's letter to his editor). Personally, I always took the Lords Declarant to be the Stark cousins & their allies--it would make the most sense, and it would make matters all the more interesting. There is a serious problem though. Anya is a Waynwood by birth and she is the Lady Waynwood in her own right. So, at best, she might be a granddaughter of Jocelyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great and Mighty Poo Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Something in the new Alayne "Winged Knights" chapter that Martin recently posted caught my eye on my second read through the other day. Myranda Royce describes the Waynwood boys as "Horse-faced," and when Anya Waynwood's party arrives, her sons and grandsons are described as long faced. I wonder is this is a trait they picked up from the Starks, as Catelyn stated to Robb back in SOS that Eddard's Grandfather had a sister who married a Waynwood. If true, I don't think it will have anything to do with the story, but I do find it rather interesting. Could Sansa be related to them all? Could she be related to Harry the Heir? I just find it interesting, and a subtle reference by George.Or that could just be a semi-common trait used by George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewolfStark Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 There is a serious problem though. Anya is a Waynwood by birth and she is the Lady Waynwood in her own right. So, at best, she might be a granddaughter of Jocelyn. And I say in the next sentence that "when I originally thought of the idea, I had thought Anya the daughter of one of them", them being Jocelyn's daughters. That's apparently at odds though with Anya being old enough to have a 25 year old grandson. Unless both Anya and her mother were really really young when they first wed, like 13 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Daegon Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Or that could just be a semi-common trait used by George. If I recall, though, some people are described as long-faced, but to directly compare them to horses seems to fall in line with describing the long-face of the Starks. I just found it neat to read that in this new chapter. I don't think it's significant, but neat all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 If Robb knows, there is no reason why Sansa wouldn't know since they should've had similar education. Sansa is also really good at learn houses and names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 And I say in the next sentence that "when I originally thought of the idea, I had thought Anya the daughter of one of them", them being Jocelyn's daughters. That's apparently at odds though with Anya being old enough to have a 25 year old grandson. Unless both Anya and her mother were really really young when they first wed, like 13 each. Girls marrying that young happens in Westeros. Also we don't know Roland Waynwood's exact age. The wiki places his birth anytime from 274 to 281 AC. So he could be just 19-20 and not 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 If Robb knows, there is no reason why Sansa wouldn't know since they should've had similar education. Sansa is also really good at learn houses and names.I could be wrong, but I thought Robb only knew this after Catelyn told him in a Storm of Swords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Snowball Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 God I don't know how you people pick up on all these little references but it's awesome (even if it is just a little speculation) . :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I like that it was Sansa's poor friend Jeyne Poole ( always trying to be closest to Sansa) who coined "Arya horseface" and here, it's Myranda, a new friend determined to be her confidante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avlonnic Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I like that it was Sansa's poor friend Jeyne Poole ( always trying to be closest to Sansa) who coined "Arya horseface" and here, it's Myranda, a new friend determined to be her conf Nice parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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