Channel4s-JonSnow Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I like the fairytale revenge element. Lady Stoneheart works for me because it adds real horror to the books. A beloved character gone wrong...but in a perverse way you can't wait for her to get her revenge.What irks me beyond all belief is how the showrunners have made pains to incorporate things from the show back in that have been missing, "Hound returns", "Mountain is resurrected", "Manderly is in!", "Edmure will appear again", "Jaime is back in riverlands"...but still completely leave out Lady Stoneheart...or anything female related really. Any news on Aunt Gemma?Of course not.Is Arianne back in after being missing. Pshaw!!!It's like they can't be bothered to fit in some of the missing components involving female characters---well, except adding back Shae in random scenes because coolness factor, boobs, ex-porn actress, etc.Wow, it must be sexism! The only answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Thing is, I actually liked a lot of the Lady Stoneheart scenes in the book, the way she was described was quite chilling, like a big boney bag of revenge. But at the same time, even though I like the scenes she's in, I hate the fact she exists. It felt like such a slap in the face to all the emotion I felt over the Red Wedding. Worse it felt like a 'Dallas' moment where people you thought were dead weren't. Little did I know I'd be experiencing that sort of facepalming moment over and over in the next couple of books as more and more characters I thought were dead turned out to actually be alive. If she'd been brought back like Gandalf, I'd be critical of GRRM's decision.But, she's been brought back like Herbert White, in The Monkey's Paw. Reviving her may have been well-intentioned, but it wasn't a good deed. It was an awful deed. She's now trapped between life and death in her own personal hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel4s-JonSnow Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 If she'd been brought back like Gandalf, I'd be critical of GRRM's decision.But, she's been brought back like Herbert White, in The Monkey's Paw. Reviving her may have been well-intentioned, but it wasn't a good deed. It was an awful deed. She's now trapped between life and death in her own personal hell. My problem with it, is it that the Red Wedding for me, was like a full stop, it was a point in the story where you realised that the story you thought you were reading wasn't the important one, that there is something more important going on. It was a moment that allowed you to mentally push onto the other storylines and commit to them because you're focus was being pushed away from thinking this is just a story about the Starks and the Lannisters, about Robb beating Joffery etc.But then suddenly that idea is broken again, Cat is "alive" still. It feels like GRRMs most brave moment, killing off a bunch of his most important characters, was totally backtracked.No matter how good LS is as a character, or how interesting her battle between life and death is, for me its always going to be a betrayal of everything I felt about the Red Wedding, and I'd be very happy were it to erased as a storyline. And yes in conjunction with every other character GRRM seems to want to trick us into thinking is dead, it all adds up to another one of many frustrating decsions by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon in the North Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 It's like they can't be bothered to fit in some of the missing components involving female characters---well, except adding back Shae in random scenes because coolness factor, boobs, ex-porn actress, etc.Brienne is returning to the Riverlands as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Stoneheart Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Brienne is returning to the Riverlands as well.They probably need her to smash someone they don't care for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 They probably need her to smash someone they don't care for.Ruh Roh, maybe she smashes Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Brienne is returning to the Riverlands as well.They will probably have her fight the Blackfish. You know, with that Lannister Gilded blade, it screams out "Lannister Lackey" so no wonder the Hound fights to protect Arya, Sansa rejects her and now, she is probably going to run into more anti - Lannister men so quess what, she will end up fighting more good guys along the way. It does not help that her sidekick is a Lannister squire in Lannister uniform either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseHarrison Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 IIRC one of the episode directors said it was too weird/confusing. The show tries to dumb down the material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagganaro Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Well, this is completely wishful thinking, but I hope she is returning this season. I could see why the show has held off on re-introducing her until now, considering that they have not revisited the Riverlands or the Freys basically since Cat's death. It seems to me that it would make sense for the show to only introduce her when they are full-scale committed to the Riverlands. Based on some of the casting rumors and other stuff, I'm optimistic the show is returning to the Riverlands and committed to telling that part of the story (which they should be, it's a huge part of the books). I've always maintained/hoped that Lady Stoneheart was too big a deal, both from a shock perspective, and more importantly from a narrative standpoint, to cut out completely, considering she is the link between Jaime and Brienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damorian Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The thing that still intrigues me is how committed IrishThrones remain to their earlier story about her appearing.Now okay, I'm not saying they're in any way an infallible news source (and the "leading an army' part may have succumbed to Chinese whispers from "leading a band of outlaws" originally, or whatever) But they're also far more newsworthy than the kind of bogus actor Tweets and doctored imdb bullshit we've been saddled with re: LSH before.As in: they do genuinely seem to have access to some reputable insiders re: a lot of their scoops this year (a lot of which have beaten both WOTW and WIC to the punch ... especially set work in progress etc.I don't have the link to hand but there was also an article recently when they were questioned about it ... again ... and totally stood by their source as being reliable. Seems to me that if they'd subsequently debunked it, they'd have brushed it under the carpet by now for the sake of their future rep. But noNot yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idio Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Well, this is completely wishful thinking, but I hope she is returning this season. I could see why the show has held off on re-introducing her until now, considering that they have not revisited the Riverlands or the Freys basically since Cat's death. It seems to me that it would make sense for the show to only introduce her when they are full-scale committed to the Riverlands. Based on some of the casting rumors and other stuff, I'm optimistic the show is returning to the Riverlands and committed to telling that part of the story (which they should be, it's a huge part of the books). I've always maintained/hoped that Lady Stoneheart was too big a deal, both from a shock perspective, and more importantly from a narrative standpoint, to cut out completely, considering she is the link between Jaime and Brienne.Completely agree. I had posted in the previous threads in previous seasons when LSH was skipped that there was absolutely nothing that would preclude them from bringing her back in the future. I fully expect to see her back with the Riverlands plot in full swing, and this makes way more sense than a random LSH cameo in one of the random proceeding seasons. Furthermore, for the fans that haven't seen the rumors and have read the books, I think it has the potential to surprise with an element they had already given up for lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowKitteh Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Why assume she's cut? I think we're going to get her this season, especially with all the Riverlands talk..... For the show, Jon needs to be resurrected first - so it's a bigger shock, then LS's resurrection won't be - "WTF??? How many zombies can this show take before it becomes Game of the Walking Frozen Dead"? That would happen if we got her resurrection first.What would also happen, would that no one would worry or wonder about Jon really being perm-dead.'' After Jon, none of that happens, and people just get on the bus at that point.I think we're getting LS, this season, it just needs to be AFTER Jon comes back - probably at least three eps between them, so Ep4 or after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I remember when i first read the books and LS was introduced it felt a bit cheesy, i still believe she should have stayed dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damorian Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Looking like Tim Plester, a.k.a. Black Walder, may be back for season 6 judging by his tactical evasiveness in an interview just put out by WOTW:http://watchersonthewall.com/tim-plester-on-the-red-wedding-and-the-possibility-of-returning-to-game-of-thrones/Probably for the Frey power struggle at the seige of Riverrun, but hey ... the guy who slit a certain matriarch at a certain wedding?Hanging around the Riverlands?Just sayin' is all .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I thought her reintroduction in the books was great. The perfect WTF moment at the end of a book full of WTF moments ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damorian Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Hmmm, well Catelyn getting her throat slashed at the RW is very briefly in the new teaser trailer montage being narrated by Von Sydow to Bran, but then so are the deaths of Jojen, Joffrey, Ned, Robb ....Not reading too much into that.But clearly A LADY WILL RISE! (official tagline.com.) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabellaVidal Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 You never know. Shae's boobs might be resurrected.The excuse that Michelle Fairley wouldn't do it doesn't cut it either. They could simply have used another actress and covered her up in prosthetics.OTOH, they have cast a Lady Stark who looks a lot like Michelle Fairley but that might be for flashbacks or Bran's visions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damorian Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 No, they haven’t. Think you might be confusing Souad Faress, who it’s been confirmed is part of Dany’s plot in Essos (but who bears a passing likeness to MF.)Besides its Fairley (in good prosthetics) or bust with Stoneheart. All impact is lost without her, and there’d be very little point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabellaVidal Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Actually Essie Davis has been cast for episode 1 as Lady Stark. Beyond this piece of information, I know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damorian Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Wrong again, sorry. I actually hate to be a smartarse, but Essie has been cast as playing Cersei's double in the Bravosi acting troupe and there are set pictures to prove it: With dark hair though, she is another slightly MF lookeylikey, so again, can totally see where you're coming from, Arabella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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