why was Ladystoneheart cut out

[Lautrec]

It's hard to judge whether it was justified until seeing what happens with her in TWoW, but I have a feeling it won't be anything major. The way Martin handled it was a mistake. Have her re-appearance be the final scene of the first arc of the story... and then for the next 1800 pages (more than the length of the entirety of LOTR) have her appear once... once in a rather meh scene. 

The dumb part is the people complaining that she wasn't used in the show, because if she had been then D&D would have had to make up scenes for her to justify her return and bringing Michelle Fairley back, those same people would then complain that that stuff wasn't in the books. If they did do it like in the books then she would have ended Season 4, and then had one scene in the whole of Season 5. That would be awful.

[ArabellaVidal]

Actually I read on imdb that she's playing Lady Stark.

That is actually a cool picture. So they're going back to the Mercy chapter from WoW? That's weird.

[Damorian]

Ahhh, probably best never to trust imdb, certainly far as anything relating to Cat Stark is concerned based on past experience ("hooded woman" credit for season 5 etc....)

And you're right, it is a cool pic. Essie is one sexy, talented lady and judging by her work in The Babadook, can't wait to see her in GOT.

[Lord Friendzone]

I wouldn't mind some LSH revenge on the Freys. I might be good contrast with resurrections with Cat and Jon, but maybe Arya will be given the vengeance on Freys as she is supposed to be in Riverlands at the end of season 6, according to spoilers. They basically established everything necesarry for the LSH reveal, but it just wouldn't be the same without Michelle. It would lack emotional aspect of it with a different actress.

[Mister Stoneheart]

 

 

 

Regarding Essie, have you seen her in Miss Fisher's Mysteries?  She's great, and really nice looking.

 

Edit: I have no idea what is going on with my quote tool.  

[The Fattest Leech]

I like the fairytale revenge element.  Lady Stoneheart works for me because it adds real horror to the books.  A beloved character gone wrong...but in a perverse way you can't wait for her to get her revenge.

What irks me beyond all belief is how the showrunners have made pains to incorporate things from the show back in that have been missing, "Hound returns", "Mountain is resurrected", "Manderly is in!", "Edmure will appear again", "Jaime is back in riverlands"...but still completely leave out Lady Stoneheart...or anything female related really.  Any news on Aunt Gemma?

Of course not.

Is Arianne back in after being missing.  Pshaw!!!

It's like they can't be bothered to fit in some of the missing components involving female characters---well, except adding back Shae in random scenes because coolness factor, boobs, ex-porn actress, etc.

Well said!

I can take or leave LSH in the show at this point- the Double D's messed that one up, but in the books my favorite part about her is how she is intertwined in to at least one branch of the BWB which is a very favorite storyline of mine. I also can appreciate her because while this is a fantasy series with dragons and giants, it is somewhat "fantasy-lite" with how the prophecy, religion, magic and some supposed history is not true or reliable, so LSH brings a little more of that "higher" to the table in a gruesome way. But she is part of a plan in some way... the great northern conspiracy.

I do, however, want some of the newly rediscovered people to actually be frauds whether they know it or not to help keep the undead clean

[Meera of Tarth]

I think that LSH can still appear

GRRM's words:

"IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ALL FIVE SEASONS AND READ ALL FIVE BOOKS, STOP HERE!"

Just consider. Mago, Irri, Rakharo, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Pyat Pree, Pyp, Grenn, Ser Barristan Selmy, Queen Selyse, Princess Shireen, Princess Myrcella, Mance Rayder, and King Stannis are all dead in the show, alive in the books. Some of them will die in the books as well, yes... but not all of them, and some may die at different times in different ways. Balon Greyjoy, on the flip side, is dead in the books, alive on the show. His brothers Euron Crow's Eye and Victarion have not yet been introduced (will they appear? I ain't saying). Meanwhile Jhiqui, Aggo, Jhogo, Jeyne Poole, Dalla (and her child) and her sister Val, Princess Arianne Martell, Prince Quentyn Martell, Willas Tyrell, Ser Garlan the Gallant, Lord Wyman Manderly, the Shavepate, the Green Grace, Brown Ben Plumm, the Tattered Prince, Pretty Meris, Bloodbeard, Griff and Young Griff, and many more have never been part of the show, yet remain characters in the books. Several are viewpoint characters, and even those who are not may have significant roles in the story to come in THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html

 

[wookan]

Because having her would cheapen Jon's resurrection

[Zombies That Were Promised]

I think Jon's death/resurrection is already cheap.  Via the season 6 spoilers we know he'll only be dead less than the first half of the season.

His death and build up was given 3 minutes of the last bit of the season 5 finale only to be a shock for fans  for a year before the truth is revealed.  That's all it is. Shock.  Not good story telling.

[Jack Bauer 24]

I think Jon's death/resurrection is already cheap.  Via the season 6 spoilers we know he'll only be dead less than the first half of the season.

His death and build up was given 3 minutes of the last bit of the season 5 finale only to be a shock for fans  for a year before the truth is revealed.  That's all it is. Shock.  Not good story telling.

He died just like in the books and  they left off where George left off.

[Lautrec]

I think Jon's death/resurrection is already cheap.  Via the season 6 spoilers we know he'll only be dead less than the first half of the season.

His death and build up was given 3 minutes of the last bit of the season 5 finale only to be a shock for fans  for a year before the truth is revealed.  That's all it is. Shock.  Not good story telling.

/eyeroll

Is there some contract clause to say that everything (everything) that happens in the show is just for shock? I mean, really? Give them some credit at least... since the same could easily be said about Martin too.

[A Ghost of Someone]

He died just like in the books and  they left off where George left off.

the reasons for his stabbing changed. No pink letter.

[Jack Bauer 24]

the reasons for his stabbing changed. No pink letter.

True, but the show version didn't leave the Jon story there for shock. The books left off with the Jon cliffhanger too for his storyline.

[Zombies That Were Promised]

/eyeroll
Is there some contract clause to say that everything (everything) that happens in the show is just for shock? I mean, really? Give them some credit at least... since the same could easily be said about Martin too.

Sorry, I can't.  In the book, Jon does a number of things but ultimately what leads to his stabbing is declaring military support for Stannis against the Boltons, because it violates the Night's Watch neutrality.  This was cut, fine, but the Night's Watch had even less reason to assassinate Jon in the show because they went to Hardhome with Jon to see the (real) threat) of the White Walkers first hand.

It contradicts Jon's stabbing but they still write it because it's a big thing that has to happen.  That's what D&D is like.  D&D are oft concerned with Point A and Point B and not really much in-between.  Now, the opposite could be said for GRRM if he intends to actually finish his series.

And as for staying on topic here with why Lady Stoneheart was cut, if it's because they wanted to really highlight Jon's own death/resurrection, they've failed on that front.  The reason I listed above is why yes both the book and show end at the same point for Jon, but the book earned it and the show did not.  For what the show did, both his death and resurrection should have been in the same season. 

[A Ghost of Someone]

True, but the show version didn't leave the Jon story there for shock. The books left off with the Jon cliffhanger too for his storyline.

They gave us "Olly" thanks to their "Dave the intern's"  brain fart.

[Farerb]

Did anyone who didn't read the books come and say "well, the stabbing doesn't make any sense, there was no pink letter!"? Cause if they didn't, I'm going to stay with the opinion that the show did Jon's stabbing just fine and they don't have the luxury not to film Kit Harrington like the books have.

[Zombies That Were Promised]

I read Unsullied posts, and I remember a few. Ah here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1024603&page=285

The show where nothing happens for 9 episodes, then you still feel like nothing really happened in episode 10 -- up until the final seconds when they pull a cheap cliffhanger.

fucking bad show, honestly.

 What the hell is the Night's Watch's problem with what Jon did? It's not like the wildling's are hanging out at the wall using supplies. All Jon essentially did was move them from one side of the wall to the other so the army of the dead wouldn't have them. Fuck Olli, fuck that piece of shit old guy who has been giving Jon shit no matter what he does. 

I could probably keep going to find some better ones, but everyone mentioning Melisandre reminds me just how blatantly obvious D&D is with their 'foreshadowing.'  Even by the show's standards of using LF's teleporter, her getting back to The Wall in the same episode she leaves Stannis's encampment (who was marching on WF for 5 eps at that point) was forced.

By comparison, Lady Stoneheart could have been a great reveal and the foreshadowing was much more subtle.  "They cut her throat to the bone and threw her body in the river" line was even intact on the show.

[Jack Bauer 24]

 

 

Did anyone who didn't read the books come and say "well, the stabbing doesn't make any sense, there was no pink letter!"? Cause if they didn't, I'm going to stay with the opinion that the show did Jon's stabbing just fine and they don't have the luxury not to film Kit Harrington like the books have.

 

 

Exactly. If people would mindless zombies I hear The Walking Dead is good for that...

[Farerb]

I read Unsullied posts, and I remember a few. Ah here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1024603&page=285I could probably keep going to find some better ones, but everyone mentioning Melisandre reminds me just how blatantly obvious D&D is with their 'foreshadowing.'  Even by the show's standards of using LF's teleporter, her getting back to The Wall in the same episode she leaves Stannis's encampment (who was marching on WF for 5 eps at that point) was forced.

By comparison, Lady Stoneheart could have been a great reveal and the foreshadowing was much more subtle.  "They cut her throat to the bone and threw her body in the river" line was even intact on the show.

LOL. Nothing happened for 10 episodes?!? I guess someone missed episode 8.

I seem to recall that Ned and co left Winterfell in episode 2 and arrived at King's Landing in episode 3. LF was at KL two episodes after he left Winterfell.

The time in the episodes is not mentioned, therefore we can't know how long it took to Mel to get to the wall.

And again TV show doesn't have the luxury to take its time and show us the long way Mel and LF did for 10 episodes.

[Dragon in the North]

By comparison, Lady Stoneheart could have been a great reveal and the foreshadowing was much more subtle.  "They cut her throat to the bone and threw her body in the river" line was even intact on the show.

I'm sure your right, but the showrunners shouldn't add something just because it would make a great scene/ending. If Lady Stoneheart has no part to play in the future, then there is no reason to include her.