Chebyshov Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 I mean look at where the letters are on the map though. You don't see The Eyrie listed as "The Vale." Yes it's a nitpick, but it's our nitpick, goddamnit. In general, I'm getting really sick of the implication that Dorne and The Reach are totally the same in terms of the acceptance of homosexuality. Like...they're not, even if the Tyrells are protective of Loras. Which was kind of the implicit suggesting this episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I’m going to say it: that birthmark didn’t even look like Dorne. Honestly, though, that scene wasn’t nearly as bad as I feared it would be, which is all I can hope for anymore it seems, I was much more upset about the moustache that show!Marge was twirling than anything else. And word about the odd choice to give Dorne’s sexual mores to the Reach. Like, why? I mean, I know why, they wanted to have Tyrell sexytimes, but what justification? It’s really too bad because I find the way Margaery uses ideal maidenhood as a political tool in A Feast for Crows very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodooqueen126 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 What is this Sandstone of which they speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 What is this Sandstone of which they speak? Sandstone is the seat of House Qorgyle. It’s about halfway between Hellholt and Starfall, quite deep in the desert, as far as I can tell. I’m sure it’s an awesome sauce place. It’s where Oberyn was fostered as a kid, so maybe he got part of his unique Oberyn-ness there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion's Third Wife Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I'm going to have to watch this scene again. I didn't catch that they were reminding us of Dorne, I was thinking they were reminding us that Loras is gay, and he's sleeping with Littlefinger's spy/brothel dude, which is apparently a foreshadowing of a different story line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 They wanted to make a gay tour together or something... remember when Loras loved Renly? good times, good times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpes Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yeah, the mark didn't even look like Dorne imo. It's also weird to see the neutral way Reach people talk about Dorne - I mean aren't the Reach and Dorne supposed to be at each other's throats all the time, which is why it's such a complicated situation in King's Landing? (and I assume might be a problem for any Targaryen claimant if they ally with Dorne?) But I guess it's much easier to show the Dornish as "Those guys in the south with sand and stuff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 People from the Reach tend to treat the Dornish with what I can only call “racism”. There was some of that on the show last season (“Why are you wasting a woman like this on a Dornishman. Get him a shaved goat and a bottle of olive oil”) and they even more played up their “otherness” with the cheesy accents and the costumes, and the, um, aspect of Oberyn’s character those chose to focus on. And the casual use of violence. (They played into all the racist stereotypes, basically). The Dornish in the books are mostly just very proud and will get defensive about it. The Tyrells and the Martells also have a thing that’s more personal, having to do with a tourney accident where Willas Tyrell was injured and that they blame Oberyn for. And it seems to be mostly one sides. The Martells don’t seem to have any particular issue with the Tyrells, at least not this generations. And Arianne saw nothing objectionable about the idea of marrying one, for example. This personal enmity doesn’t seem to exists on the show. Which is fine, it’s not particularly important, I don’t think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksniffer Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Sunspear doesn't seem to exist anymore, at least on the OP anyways, according to a screenshot of Dorne in the title sequence.Rather, when we are introduced to Dorne it will be to the city of Dorne (so that's Dorne, Dorne), a magical land filled with Water Gardens, Old Palaces, and everything of relevance in Dorne.http://emilia-clarke.net/gallery/albums/Magazines/2015%2003%2020-27%20EW/ew_march2027_014.jpg damn i must have been drunker than i thought cause i missed any dornish city in the opening credits....saw pentos and new winterfell...guess we have to wait til next week to see braavos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Carson Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 That was brilliant. Loved it. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ni2tre Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 damn i must have been drunker than i thought cause i missed any dornish city in the opening credits....saw pentos and new winterfell...guess we have to wait til next week to see braavosThere was no Dorne in the opening credits in E01 but it appears that we'll finally see Dorne in E02 based on the preview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Dorne looks like a foot. Did that birthmark look like a foot? I don't think so! Porne, otoh... why? Because JB24 loves everything D&D does instead of those boring books :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 They wanted to make a gay tour together or something... remember when Loras loved Renly? good times, good times..."Who's Renly?", said Loras Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarieAntoinette Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I wish they would have gone with having an ornate, embroidered map-of-Dorne bedspread that Oberyn's troupe left behind in Littlefinger's brothel when they left. It would have been a better visual reference than a weird birthmark/mole. Anything would have been better than that cringeworthy birthmark scene. Since Jaime and Bronn go to Dorne, those two could have looked at a map of Dorne or something. Or have Trystane talk about Dorne to Myrcella in a later episode. I get that they wanted to include some mention of Dorne in the first episode, but this was the worst possible solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 "Who's Renly?", said Loras , while he was being vigorously mounted by Olyvar, the multitasking whore, and Margaery gave them a disapproving stare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Carson Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Because JB24 loves everything D&D does instead of those boring books :dunno: That's why I want to see if he'll actually explain why he loved it since it's likely he only said to spite you folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 , while he was being vigorously mounted by Olyvar, the multitasking whore, and Margaery gave them a disapproving stare.That shit writes itself. We don't even need D&D anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose is Azor Ahai Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 BTW, why is Dorne in the map full of weird mountains instead of desert? I mean, even Rainforest seems to have more desert in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeirToDorne Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Honestly it was a perfect metaphor for the adaptation as a whole "Oh yeah there's the sunspear bit. And then some mountains or something... and then what's the other bit called? Stonehenge? SandSnake? Fck it let's do a sex scene." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 They wanted to make a gay tour together or something... remember when Loras loved Renly? good times, good times...When the sun has gone out no candle can-Oh, hullo there! You're a man, we must have sex at once!*replaces sun with feeble matchstick*Also, was I the only one imagining the scene from Friends where Ross has a *something* on his arse and all those doctors are gathered round looking at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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