Rui da Silveira Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Or... the valonqar doesn't have to be Cercei's little brother, but "a" little brother. And so it can be a large amount of people.Anyway, on think is certain: Cercei believes that the prophecy is about Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Maybe they will do it in more than one part, but I would argue, this is a waste of precious screen time, because much as some people didn't like it in the books and thought it was over kill, a prophecy is not necessary to set the stage for why Cersei hates her brother, is a power hungry maniac or is jealous of any other woman who might become more powerful than she is, we've seen it for 4 seasons, devoting screen time to the back story is a waste of time better spent on more important parts of the story. There is plenty of groundwork already laid for Lena to go crazy this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think the goal of the scene was to establish why Cersei is so paranoid about Margary, which is exactly what all my non-book reading friends got from it, and to subtly hint at the possibility that Dany is the "younger more beautiful queen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 They messed up by having Maggy in the first place. Even non-readers are like, "cool, cool, but what was the point of that flashback again?" Well, yes, without any followup, the Maggy sequence would be stupid. But, if I remember correctly, it also took some time since the prologue of S1 to the second time the Others made an appearance. But it's not. The books clearly makes clear that it's Tyrion. Also, they explain that "little brother" means the younguest one. Huh? Citation needed. In the books, Cersei thinks it's Tyrion. That much is clear, but also in the book Cersei makes a damn good effort to be wrong about most everything. And I believe that "little brother" is everything we know about what valonqar means. If there's something more, by all means, do share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rui da Silveira Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Huh? Citation needed. In the books, Cersei thinks it's Tyrion. That much is clear, but also in the book Cersei makes a damn good effort to be wrong about most everything. And I believe that "little brother" is everything we know about what valonqar means. If there's something more, by all means, do share. Yeah, I corrected my post because I realized that: "the valonqar doesn't have to be Cercei's little brother, but "a" little brother. And so it can be a large amount of people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultan of Westeros Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Mage was hot! (Specially for someone named frog) *not complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 If Jaime is the volanqar this is not going to happen in the show, I imagine. Nothing suggests an estrangement between these two.One episode in is way too early to tell. D&D could easily be assuming that if it didn't happen this season, the viewers won't remember it, and therefore have pushed the reset button on the Jamie/Cersei relationship just so they can show it deteriorating again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombies That Were Promised Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Melara should have been cut, if they were going to cut her part of the prophecy. People are speculating who the girl with Cersei is and saying she's Elia Martell or Lyanna Stark. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADanceWithCats Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Maybe they will do it in more than one part, but I would argue, this is a waste of precious screen time, because much as some people didn't like it in the books and thought it was over kill, a prophecy is not necessary to set the stage for why Cersei hates her brother, is a power hungry maniac or is jealous of any other woman who might become more powerful than she is, we've seen it for 4 seasons, devoting screen time to the back story is a waste of time better spent on more important parts of the story. Well, there is one reason to include the prophecy. That's to prepare the ground for another one in the coming seasons. If either Myrcella or Tommen dies this season, we'll have an indication that prophecies do check out in this universum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modesty Lannister Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I expected Maggy to look like Miri Mirz Daz from season 1. Actually, I thought that she did look like young Mirri Miz Duur from season 1. I liked that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVEALnothing Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It has been a while for my book read, so I may have this ALL wrong, but with the wording? Could "The valonqar" refer to the "little brother/sister " of the prince that was in the prophecy. That would make Dani the YMBQ will be the one who will take all her power by then? Right? The most important part of the prophecy (SO FAR) is YMBQ - Marg, Dany or Sansa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastada Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Maybe I'm crazy but I always assumed that cercie killed Roberts child on purpose. Is that supported anywhere other than in my mind assuming it's something she would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastada Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Maybe I'm crazy but I always assumed that cercie killed Roberts child on purpose. Is that supported anywhere other than in my mind assuming it's something she would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsug Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 No I definitely think it's an interesting little sub plot as to what exactly happened to that boy. If memory serves me well, Lena Headey herself said she believes Cersei was...embellishing the story to Catelyn. Several episodes later, Cersei refers to the kid rather flippantly to Robert.Cersei killing her own son would definitely shut up those people who say show!cersei is too nice lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBamBoo Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Actually, I thought that she did look like young Mirri Miz Duur from season 1. I liked that. I thought she looked, and acted, quite similar to Osha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex999 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I thought it was a good scene that served its purpose To tell us about the young Queen who is coming take everything away from her and to tell us that Cersei kids could be in great danger. This is the main focus of her storyline this season and that is the part of the prophecy they kept. The other part about the valonqar isn't relevant at this point and it probably won't be until the final season P.S. I actually like how they portrayed Maggy in this. The idea that people who have never seen Maggy thinks that she looks like this old woman with squat and warty, with crusty yellow eyes, no teeth, and pale green jowls like she does in the books only to be shocked to find out that she that she doesn't look that way at all lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Same. Odd decision to make her some relatively young, relatively attractive woman, imo.I think they did that so that she's young enough for Cersei to eventually run into again. Just a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 i thought it would've been better if it showed Melara's stuff as well. Because at the start Cersei says "you don't need to be afraid of my father" which made me think they were foreshadowing her pushing Melara down the well. Other than that i thought this was easily my favourite scene of the episode. Dare i say young Cersei was better than adult Cersei? Yes the show suffers from discontinuity at times, got used to that long time ago. I don't think it ruined the scene though. I think there's another half of the scene coming. She's going to be daydreaming again and we'll hear about the Valonquar and see Melara die, because remember Maggy tells her she gets 3 questions but the scene cuts out after question 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think there's another half of the scene coming. She's going to be daydreaming again and we'll hear about the Valonquar and see Melara die, because remember Maggy tells her she gets 3 questions but the scene cuts out after question 2. Am I crazy? I thought I heard 3 questions. Will she marry the prince? Will she be queen? How many children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jugdesh258 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I doubt they will revist flashback for the Valonquar bit. D & D never look past the season they are working on. If it has not happened yet in the book, then they don't want to committ to anything. We all read the book and are waiting for it. They could have said it for most TV only viewers would have been valonquar wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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