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Tracing Targaryen Blood in the Female Line


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As to the nature of the dragonlord dragonbond:

That could essentially be anything. From bathing in dragonblood - the usual take on Siegfried the Dragonslayer from the German legend is that he gets hard skin from bathing in dragon blood because he effectively becomes the dragon - to sex with dragons (indicated in TWoIaF since the Valyrians actually mated slave women with animals, or some kind of magical dragon-human-merging.

But we can be reasonable sure that the Targaryens and other dragonlord descendants do indeed have 'dragon blood'. Whatever that means in detail or they acquired is not yet clear.

Yes, the Targaryens have reptile blood. Literally. I think this dragonbond was a cheap and inferior replacement to skinchanging, as the glass candles seem to be cheap replacements to weirwoods.

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I wonder where the two sisters of Bloodraven ended up? They had blackwood and Targ blood I'm sure they'd have been seen as good marriage material, I can't imagine the Blackwoods throwing them away. Maybe they married back into the Blackwoods, or into another Riverlands house.


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Yes of course we get the bit about Tarth having Targ blood in the world book too don't we. I wonder did Dunk marry a princess, father children, become a widower and then join the KG then? With his daughter then marrying into Tarth. Does the timeline allow for that?



Could the Targ blood have been one of the princesses marrying into Tarth, with Dunk escorting her as a KG to her marriage, but then knocking her up leaving the bride carrying his child but passing it off as her new husbands? In which case Selwyn would be Dunks grandson. With Brienne being great granddaughter to Dunk & the Princess.



Maybe they were in love but obviously couldn't be wed as he was a lowborn and sworn to the KG? And she wed into Tarth out of duty alone


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I wonder where the two sisters of Bloodraven ended up? They had blackwood and Targ blood I'm sure they'd have been seen as good marriage material, I can't imagine the Blackwoods throwing them away. Maybe they married back into the Blackwoods, or into another Riverlands house.

Ah yes, Bloodraven's sisters. I'm curious about them too. If they did marry, I don't suppose it would be into a very high ranking/prominent house; they are, after all, illegitimate children. Still, perhaps they married a vassal of House Blackwood, or a second/third/fourth son of some other noble house. I wonder whether Bloodraven had a close relationship with them too? I guess he never spent too much time with them, as he does not mention them when telling Bran about his past (brother I loved brother i hated speech)

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They were legitimized though. So how prominently they'd be treated is probably a grey area. Especially as they are the kings children. I'm sure plenty of families would think them a fine match. Just probably not the very top of the chain families but most others wouldn't turn their nose up at them I don't think. Especially in the years when Bloodraven was prominent at court. People may not have liked him but he was still powerful.



I do wonder what their relationship with Daeron was like though. He seemed to like their mother a lot, and she was well loved at court, it could mean that like Bloodraven they had close relations with people at court and had the possibility to make a decent match.


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It would depend on when they married too. Legitimized bastard daughters of a King might not be as prestigious as a trueborn princess, but they're a better political match than a bastard daughter.

I think Brynden would have been close to them in his youth; Missy Blackwood and Queen Naerys were friends, allowing Missy and her children to remain in the Red Keep even after her 'reign' as the King's mistress ended. I imagine Missy's children looked to Daeron rather than Aegon as a father figure, and grew up around his sons. So far he's mentioned a handful of folk to Bran, but I don't expect him to mention Mya and Gwenys unless Bran brings up Sansa and Arya. I dare say a couple of Bloodraven's 1,001 eyes were on his sisters at times. (And not in the incestuous perving way.)

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I think there's something to Dunk and that the Tarths have had a royal marriage at some stage, but I must admit that I just don't like the 'Dunk & one of Maekar's daughters' theory.

I can't imagine Dunk ever looking at one of Egg's sisters like that, you know?

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Daella Targaryen is older than Egg. She, and not Egg, is Maekar's fourth child. The firstborn was Daeron, then Aerion, Aemon, Daella, Aegon, and Rhae.



And Dunk is about the same age as Aerion, roughly 16 or so in THK. Daella could have been 10-12 years at that time, meaning she may be only 4-5 years younger than Dunk.



A match between Rhae and Dunk is much more unlikely, but Daella and Dunk is easily possible due to the fact that they are much closer in age.


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Aren't they like 15 years younger than him, for one? And the siblings of his apprentice... eh, IDK. Just seems like it'd be awkward as hell.

Not that I think there is anything to the idea, but your age difference is an exaggeration. Daella is older than Egg. She is born between Aemon and Egg and Aemon is two years older than Egg, so she is about one year older than Egg. The difference between Dunk and Egg is about eight to nine years (Dunk doesn't know his age but thinks he is sixteen or seventeen.) So Daella is about seven to eight years younger than Dunk - not fifteen. Who knows about Egg's younger sister, Rhae. She is alive in the Hedge Knight but we don't know much more than that.

edit: I see you beat me to the point, LV. Not sure where you get your estimation of ages, but the point about Daella being older is certainly correct.

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Oh, I should have considered that we actually know when Aemon was born. Thus Daella was most likely 10-11 in 209, and is somewhat younger. But still older than Egg and thus closer to Dunk in age than Egg. Dunk states in THK that Aerion is about as old as he is.



The Dunk-Daella theory is the best way to explain everything as it is essentially confirmed that Brienne is also descended from Dunk. While it is also possible that a child of Dunk's as well as a Targaryen princess marries into House Tarth this is would overall not provide us with as interesting a personal story as Dunk marrying Egg's (former) betrothed.



Both Rhae and Daella had children of their own according to Aemon in AFfC.


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The age difference isn't what I find "meh," about it. It's that I have a hard time picturing Maekar allowing his daughter to marry a hedge knight. It's of course possible that he would not and they eloped, but it still seems like a stretch for me. (Though I dare say such a scenario could see Bloodraven providing some assistance.)

I can't picture Duncan fighting for the Blackfyres during the Third Blackfyre Rebellion, but if he was in exile with Daella then assisting the loyalists then could ensure his safe passage 'home'.

Still, we've yet to encounter Daella or even much of Maekar.

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The age difference isn't what I find "meh," about it. It's that I have a hard time picturing Maekar allowing his daughter to marry a hedge knight. It's of course possible that he would not and they eloped, but it still seems like a stretch for me. (Though I dare say such a scenario could see Bloodraven providing some assistance.)

I can't picture Duncan fighting for the Blackfyres during the Third Blackfyre Rebellion, but if he was in exile with Daella then assisting the loyalists then could ensure his safe passage 'home'.

Still, we've yet to encounter Daella or even much of Maekar.

Yep. Remember how much of a disgrace it was for Merrett Frey to have to let Gatehouse Ami marry a hedge knight?

You honestly think the Blood of the Dragon would ever wed a hedge knight? One thing to let Egg squire for him, but that is taking it too far.

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The age difference isn't what I find "meh," about it. It's that I have a hard time picturing Maekar allowing his daughter to marry a hedge knight. It's of course possible that he would not and they eloped, but it still seems like a stretch for me. (Though I dare say such a scenario could see Bloodraven providing some assistance.)

I can't picture Duncan fighting for the Blackfyres during the Third Blackfyre Rebellion, but if he was in exile with Daella then assisting the loyalists then could ensure his safe passage 'home'.

Still, we've yet to encounter Daella or even much of Maekar.

My age comment was addressed to Pod the Rod.

I'm a bit foggy on the timeline so I don't know how this would work or not, and this is of course all speculation, but it's possible Dunk was rewarded for fighting in the third Blackfyre rebellion with either a marriage to Daella, or his own small set of land which makes him slightly more eligible for marriage to her. I guess it's also possible that after so many years taking care of Egg and teaching him, Maekar had come to recognise Dunk's worth. But I agree we probably need to know more about Maekar to say

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My age comment was addressed to Pod the Rod.

I'm a bit foggy on the timeline so I don't know how this would work or not, and this is of course all speculation, but it's possible Dunk was rewarded for fighting in the third Blackfyre rebellion with either a marriage to Daella, or his own small set of land which makes him slightly more eligible for marriage to her. I guess it's also possible that after so many years taking care of Egg and teaching him, Maekar had come to recognise Dunk's worth. But I agree we probably need to know more about Maekar to say

That's the only way I could see this happening. IIRC, didn't he kill the Blackfyre pretender leading that particular revolt? If he did, that might make him worthy. Other than that, no.

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That's the only way I could see this happening. IIRC, didn't he kill the Blackfyre pretender leading that particular revolt? If he did, that might make him worthy. Other than that, no.

I think that was during the Fourth Rebellion. We don't know what Dunk was up to durung the Third, but we do know that Haegon Blackfyre was slain dishonourably after giving up his sword.

My age comment was addressed to Pod the Rod.

I'm a bit foggy on the timeline so I don't know how this would work or not, and this is of course all speculation, but it's possible Dunk was rewarded for fighting in the third Blackfyre rebellion with either a marriage to Daella, or his own small set of land which makes him slightly more eligible for marriage to her. I guess it's also possible that after so many years taking care of Egg and teaching him, Maekar had come to recognise Dunk's worth. But I agree we probably need to know more about Maekar to say

Oh, I know. Just wanted to chip in my fifty pence. I had meant to post that I agreed with your point about ages, as adolescence in medieval times anyway. :)

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I think that was during the Fourth Rebellion. We don't know what Dunk was up to durung the Third, but we do know that Haegon Blackfyre was slain dishonourably after giving up his sword.

Oh, I know. Just wanted to chip in my fifty pence. I had meant to post that I agreed with your point about ages, as adolescence in medieval times anyway. :)

So maybe he defeated that Blackfyre pretender, and then honorably let him live? And then Aerion killed him after he had surrendered? And Aerion is exiled and Dunk rewarded for his awesomeness with Daella?

Because I'm pretty sure it talks about "the valor of Duncan the Tall and the actions of Aerion Brightflame" in the World Book when discussing the Third Rebellion, so maybe that's it?

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