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Tracing Targaryen Blood in the Female Line


Mithras

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George has recently mentioned that 'The Sellsword' is another prospective title of a Dunk story - this could be a hint that he and Daella end up in exile after their marriage. Ser Criston Cole asked Rhaenyra to run away and marry but she refused - Daella might accept.



But I doubt that Dunk will already be a KG by then. We have to keep in mind that Dunk is not inclined to live a celibate life - he wants to marry, and rise high in the non-sworn-Brotherhood world.



It is very likely Dunk will only join the KG under Aegon V. During Aerys' reign he most likely will be too young, and during Maekar's reign he would have to be around and looking forward to serving and protecting either King Daeron or King Aerion - that's pretty unlikely considering Dunk's history with these two. While he could befriend Daeron later on there is no way that he'll ever be friends with Aerion. And Aerion will be Maekar's Heir Apparent for a time (after Daeron's death) as well as Daeron's Heir Presumptive due to the fact that Daeron has only a daughter. That should be more than enough reason for Dunk to shun KL throughout Maekar's reign.


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Aren't they like 15 years younger than him, for one? And the siblings of his apprentice... eh, IDK. Just seems like it'd be awkward as hell.

I see already it has been noted that this is incorrect, but as a person who has a big age gap in her very successful marriage and had a relationship with a man 15 years older when i was 16. I'd have to disagree.

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Dunk could have been rewarded for his bravery, but I don't think Aerion would have been exiled (again).

I was wondering this. I tried to check the wiki but couldn't see anything. Something is niggling me that makes me think it's mentioned he died in exile, but like I say, I'm not sure

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I was wondering this. I tried to check the wiki but couldn't see anything. Something is niggling me that makes me think it's mentioned he died in exile, but like I say, I'm not sure

He drank the wildfire in Lys. I am almost positive of it.

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He drank the wildfire in Lys. I am almost positive of it.

I'm not even sure there is wildfire in Lys. Do we think the Alchemist's Guild exists in Essos? I'd guess most ship captains would not want to transport the stuff.

Anyway as Lord Varys said he died in Westeros

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/903

Lastly, (iv), well, Aerion Brightfire did not stay in Lys all his life, only a few years.

Edit: On the wiki the circumstances of his death were listed under the exile section, that may have been where you guys got them impression he died in exile. I changed it.

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Yes No targ blood in the Arryns HelenaExMachina,

Daella Targaryen died in Childbed after delivering a daughter Aemma Arryn, so no Targ blood in the Arryns as she only had the one child who wed back into the Targ family.

The only one I spotted that Mithras missed on the OP is Elaena's twins with Oakenfist. Who did Jeyne & John Waters end up marrying I wonder? we know John's son went on to form a House of his own House Longwaters. So they have Dragon blood. though according to the wiki the Waters twins carried the blood of houses targaryen, valeryion, Arryn, Upcliff, hunter & STARK? where did they get this from??

Their mother Elaena Targaryen obviously carries blood from Targ, Valeryion (various marriages going back to well before the conquest), Arryn (through the Aemma Arryn marriage) Upcliff (Through the marriage of the marriage of Arwen Upcliff to the Arryn King at the time) and Hunter (through the marriage of Teora Hunter to Rolland II Arryn) But where did they get a drop of Stark Blood? Was Marilda of Hull the daughter of a shipwright (Alyn's Mother) somehow connected to the Starks? a bastard maybe, who knows we have nothing to go on as far as I can tell as to how Stark blood got into the son of Jon Waters? I guess maybe the wife was of Stark blood but I don't see a Stark daughter marrying the son of a legitimised bastard's bastard. even if that bastard was treated like a gently born man due to his noble and royal bloods. Fuck knows. I'm confused now, too many bastards and too much blood.

Marilda´s ancestors are not known, so the text from the wiki is based on the ancestors of Elaena and Alyn.

My guess is that whoever wrote that part believed that the marriage mentioned between the daughter of Lord Torrhen Stark and Lord Ronnel Arryn would have led to the line leading to Aemma Arryn, of who Elaena descends.. This person clearly did not see the notes from the Sons of the Dragon, where it is stated that Lord Ronnel died with his sons (or was it all his children)... As it appears Lord Ronnel's line did not inherit, that little bit is now removed from the wiki..

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I see already it has been noted that this is incorrect, but as a person who has a big age gap in her very successful marriage and had a relationship with a man 15 years older when i was 16. I'd have to disagree.

Ok, I admit I was wrong on the age gap. But I still think it would take nigh on earth-shattering circumstances for a Targaryen Princess to wed a hedge knight. The only thing that occurs to me that Dunk could reasonably have done to earn Daella's hand in marriage is personally kill a Blackfyre Pretender, unless you have other ideas?

And I don't think Maekar or BR would have allowed this any other way, because the last time we saw the both of them neither seemed to like Dunk all that much.

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They may not have liked Dunk that much, but they still entrusted Egg's safe-keeping into his hands. That he does not disappoint t on that front must count for something, I think. I believe that IF Dunk does marry one of Egg's sisters, it will make sense when we consider all the circumstances leadin up to it: after all, he has already help to thwart a Blackfyre rebellion and stopped a dispute between two feuding Reach lords/lady. And we still have numerous D&E novellas to go, in which I've no doubt he will do other deeds which prove himself.

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Marilda´s ancestors are not known, so the text from the wiki is based on the ancestors of Elaena and Alyn.

My guess is that whoever wrote that part believed that the marriage mentioned between the daughter of Lord Torrhen Stark and Lord Ronnel Arryn would have led to the line leading to Aemma Arryn, of who Elaena descends.. This person clearly did not see the notes from the Sons of the Dragon, where it is stated that Lord Ronnel died with his sons (or was it all his children)... As it appears Lord Ronnel's line did not inherit, that little bit is not removed from the wiki..

Thank you .

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Ok, I admit I was wrong on the age gap. But I still think it would take nigh on earth-shattering circumstances for a Targaryen Princess to wed a hedge knight. The only thing that occurs to me that Dunk could reasonably have done to earn Daella's hand in marriage is personally kill a Blackfyre Pretender, unless you have other ideas?

And I don't think Maekar or BR would have allowed this any other way, because the last time we saw the both of them neither seemed to like Dunk all that much.

I am far more inclined to imagine the scenario I gave earlier to be likely as I too don't see them being allowed to marry. I'm thinking more likely he bedded her and she then passed her child off as her new husbands.

We know Dunks shield ended up in the Armoury at Tarth, and we know Brienne is tall, and similar to Dunk in personality also so I am happy to assume she is indeed related. I can see Daella going to Tarth to marry the Lord/Heir and Dunk being in the wedding party, either as a KG escorting her or just with Egg as his companion. And the two of them sleeping together before her wedding night, with the resultant pregnancy simply being assumed as the doing of her husband.

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Queen Sharra Arryn had apparently two sons, Ronnel and Jonos. Ronnel married a daughter of Torrhen Stark and had children with her, but Jonos the Kinslayer, rebelling against his brother as well as King Aenys I in 37 AC, threw Ronnel, his Stark wife, and all their children threw the moon door. He himself was later killed by Prince Maegor Targaryen.



Afterwards the Eyrie went to a cousin of Ronnel and Jonos, Hubert Arryn, who was married to a daughter of Lord Royce and had already six sons by then. Thus we can assume that Denys Arryn may have been descended from Hubert's fifth or sixth son. It is also quite likely that one of Hubert's lines - the one which his elder son Robar began, who married Princess Daella - ended with the death of Lady Jeyne Arryn if she had no issue/remained unmarried (if we assume Jeyne was actually a descendant of Robar but this seems to be the case).


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As far as I can tell the families that have known legitimate Targaryen Blood are Martell, Baratheon, and Valaryon as well as any marriages from the eight Hightower daughters although some probably died or have died out or joined the silent sisters or became septas.



Through Targaryen marriages to other Westerosi (Blackwood, Arryn, Baratheon (Durrandon), Dayne, and Martell (Nymeria) houses, Daenerys can trace her lineage back to Nymeria, Artis Arryn, House Mudd, whatever ancient, mysterious, and mystical lineage the Dayne's have (possibly Azor Ahai or the last hero or whatever), Durran Godsgrief and all the Storm Kings, and most of the Riverlands, Stormlands, Vale, and Dorne through marriages. Interesting that there is no direct connection to the West or the North. If the pact of Ice and Fire is ever fulfilled (Cough) Jon (cough) that would tie the North into house Targaryen as well. My main point is that Dany (as well as any secret Targaryen son of Rhaegar) has lots of first men, Andal, and Rhoynish ancestry. She would be a representative of all her people.


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There is a lot of Targ lineage that we really don't know anything about as well. For example, Maekar I's daughters Rhae and Daella's marriage history has never been explored. They most likely would have gotten married and had children, but nothing is confirmed. Apart from the Baratheons, whatever house they married into should have the among the least diluted Targaryen bloodlines left in Westeros.

The certainly married someone, and had children.

AFFC, Samwell IV:

"Will I talk with Egg again, find Dareon whole and happy, hear my sisters singing to their children?" (Maester Aemon, concerning the afterlife)

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The certainly married someone, and had children.

I didn't remember that line. Good to know.

I also thought of something watching the latestn HBO-episode, when Daemon talked about Targaryens being alone, and how he was the last one. Does he ever say something similar in the book? It could give a clue about his sister's descendants.

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