ElizabethB. Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Yes. And then Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Closely followed by Swaziland and Zanzibar. I have it on good authority that the Swaziland invasion will be airborne, so South Africa and Mozambique have nothing to worry about.Stop trolling, please. It isn't funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,Gosh, given what happened last year (and is currently happening) in Ukraine why would anyone be worried about a similar situation arising in Moldova? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,Gosh, given what happened last year (and is currently happening) in Ukraine why would anyone be worried about a similar situation arising in Moldova? Because there is this thing called informed opinion and then there is aimless flailing too see what sticks. Be calm. Swaziland is secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,Your Ad Absurdum comment about Swaziland is relevant to Transdenistra asking for Russian intervention in Moldova, how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,Your Ad Absurdum comment about Swaziland is relevant to Transdenistra asking for Russian intervention in Moldova, how? The last few months I've seen politicians and media warning us about potential Russian aggression in Moldova, Baltic states, Finland, Sweden, Poland, Kazakhstan, and I'm certain I missed a few. Pardon me if I'm a bit sceptical about these nuggets of wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,I welcome your skepticism. That doesn't mean all agressive Russian movements should be ignored. Ignoring Russian actions contributed to the annexation of Crimea and civil war in the Donbass supported by Russian troops, or, are you skeptical about those too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 The last few months I've seen politicians and media warning us about potential Russian aggression in Moldova, Baltic states, Finland, Sweden, Poland, Kazakhstan, and I'm certain I missed a few. Pardon me if I'm a bit sceptical about these nuggets of wisdom.Share some of your wisdom then. No trolling, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,I welcome your skepticism. That doesn't mean all agressive Russian movements should be ignored. Ignoring Russian actions contributed to the annexation of Crimea and civil war in the Donbass supported by Russian troops, or, are you skeptical about those too? Not much will be gained by faulty logic. We are bombarded by a constant stream of truths, half-truths and lies, and not only in politics. It's a part of our existence as human beings. A well-informed and rational person learns to separate one from the other (from the third). Ukraine (and Georgia for that matter) were known issues going years back. Anyone who knows anything about them knew that Russia draws the line with those two countries. You and I may or may not like it, but it's simply so. Crimea wasn't the least bit surprising to me when it happened. Pretty much all analysts worth their salt suspected something like it might be Putin's answer to Kiev revolution. These other silly things about Poland and Mozambique don't really merit a serious answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit, And this lovely comment from the Russian Defense Minister: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Tanks-dont-need-visas-Putin-aide-tells-west/articleshow/47432455.cms From the article: MOSCOW: An outspoken deputy prime minister in charge of Russia's defence sector has dismissed western concerns over Moscow's increased assertiveness in the Arctic by saying that "tanks don't need visas". President Vladimir Putin's associate Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the defence industry, is known for his hawkish remarks and enjoys rattling western officials. "I've always joked about it ... so what if they won't give us visas, put us on sanctions list ... tanks don't need visas," Rogozin said on state TV late Sunday, after the host asked him whether Europe and the United States are concerned about Russia's presence in the Arctic. Nothing to see here... move along. Is it your assertion that the Russians would never take steps like those we've seen in Ukraine and Georgia in other former Soviet republics or other former Russian satelite states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I doubt Russia will actually do anything in Moldova. They will rattle sabers about it though to try and scare people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Shryke,But sabre rattling only works if people think it's possible the sabre will leave the scabard. As such, while I agree action in Moldova is unlikely, I do see it within the realm of possibility, if that makes any sense. Therefore, I don't think it should be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Is it your assertion that the Russians would never take steps like those we've seen in Ukraine and Georgia in other former Soviet republics or other former Russian satelite states? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,"Never" is a long time. I hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I doubt Russia will actually do anything in Moldova. They will rattle sabers about it though to try and scare people. Eh, not really but close enough. Russian saber-rattling is more geared towards their internal political situation. Putin wants to show the people that Russia won't be easily intimidated. They have an authoritarian political culture there that feeds on stuff like this (hence, the 'tanks don't need visas' nonsense). Internationally, this message isn't aimed at 'people' but at political elites as a reminder of the cost that crossing Russian 'red lines' entails. Though, bullshit about the Russian aggression against Lesotho and Papua New Guinea is hardly Russian saber-rattling, just run-of-the-mill political preemptive spin designed to prepare the public to assent to more stringent measures if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Are you people joking?Estonia has reported many cyber attacks from Russia, as if the statue alone would have not been enough. Not to mention Eston Kohver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Mr. Fixit,"Never" is a long time. I hope you're right. Well, for what's it worth, me too. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Are you people joking?Estonia has reported many cyber attacks from Russia, as if the bronze warrior alone would havo not been enough.Not to mention Eston Kohver! Oh yeah, I totally believe they'll continue to fuck around with the Baltics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Shryke,But sabre rattling only works if people think it's possible the sabre will leave the scabard. As such, while I agree action in Moldova is unlikely, I do see it within the realm of possibility, if that makes any sense. Therefore, I don't think it should be ignored. I've always been of the opinion that politics is the art of predestination. Look hard enough and you'll find it. Or cause it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Oh yeah, I totally believe they'll continue to fuck around with the Baltics. I'm sure you do. It means your politicians and media have done their jobs! Say what you will, these guys know how to get shit done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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