[Book Spoilers] EP503 Discussion

[Lady Lovisa]

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THANK YOU :bowdown: I love summaries in bullet points

- Adult Tommen is cringe worthy

- Sansa in Winterfell: It was superomgwtfbbq, considering that LF would never put himself in such a risky position:

1) Sansa/LF would never agree to expose her true identity to anyone – she’s one of the most wanted person in Westeros (Wife of a kingslayer, sister and daughter of traitors) AND one of the most valuable persons in Westeros (Key to the North, knows secrets about Lysa’s and Jon Arryn’s deaths).

2) LF is a cautious man and is careful not to offend the important people. He also wouldn’t want to be known by the Lannisters or Small Council as ‘the guy who rescued the kingslayer’s wife’.

It would make more sense if it were ALAYNE STONE that was betrothed to Ramsay. Exposing SANSA STARK is an irrational move. I hope it gets better as the season progresses.

- Brienne of f***ing Tarth has the nerve to dump her deuce on Stannis, insisting on avenging Renly, the fake king, when Renly had no rights, no good reasons or whatsoever to become king. Being ‘KINDER THAN STANNIS’ is not a good reason to acknowledge him as king instead of the rightful heir. Go to hell with your oaths and do something wise for the sake of the realm. If she is the one to kill Stannis, I’m gonna have to sacrifice my TV to R'hllor.

- D&D did it with ‘Only Cat’…. And now with ‘Edd, fetch me a block’. :bang:

- Agreed with the whitewashing of Tyrion - In the world of ASOIAF, all the characters have their own sets of strengths, as well as FLAWS, and we are made to believe that Tyrion is the almighty, the flawless and impeccable midget angel with invisible wings that swoops down to Westeros to save mankind, animals, dragons and beetles (KUNK KUNK KUNK, biatch)

Though I particularly look forward to Marg v Cersei showdown. I like immersing myself in prophecies so it was exhilarating to watch Maggy the Frog's prophecy unfold (Still doubtful that Marg is the YMBQ). The scenes were alright I guess. I was alright that they made Marg a bitch equivalent to Cersei, the original Mean Girl of Westeros (“On Wednesdays, we wear green” – Margaery Tyrell, Queen of the Seven Kingdoms). Hell, they might even include some hair-pulling, girl on girl action.

Oh... but doesn't Sansa know that Roose betrayed Robb (cue conversation between her and Tyrion “Did you hear what they did to my brother?” “and my mother, how they cut her throat to the bone…” IIRC, she knows what happened at the Red Wedding. I believe she just doesn’t know monster that Ramsay is. Correct me if I'm wrong.

They made Roose, LF and Varys seem astoundingly stupid and made princessy, girly characters seem feeble and dim-witted. If the traumatizing scene turns out to be a Sansa rape/torture scene, I might just lose my respect for D&D and remaining high hopes for GOT.

[Bluetiger]

It puzzles me how whore in Volantis knows which hairstyle and dress Dany has...

[Tijgy]

It puzzles me how whore in Volantis knows which hairstyle and dress Dany has...

Everyone knows everything in Planetos (f.e Roose killing Robb)

[Mingolla]

It's not only the nudity but the oversexuality. The ageing of Tommen, Myrcella and Trystane and the sexification of Maggy the Frog.

That is a ridiculous claim. Starks were aged up too, to be "oversexualized" i am sure....And Maggy the Frog? Did you wanted to jump on her, tear off her clothes and fuck her right there in that hut?....If you get horny everytime you see a teenager or middle aged witch on TV, well maybe the problem is with you and not with the show.

[Arya Targaryen]

Does anybody have already a gif of the

STANNIS' NOD OF APPROVAL™?

Someone on the Neogaf spoiler thread made this:

http://i.imgur.com/aUzutrH.gif

[Cubarey]

Anyonw else catch the fact that the High Septon was made to do A Walk of Shame? Hmm, telegraphing future events a bit here. A bit heavy handed of D&D in my opinion.

[Cubarey]

Everyone knows everything in Planetos (f.e Roose killing Robb)

Danny is obviously quite famous in the region by this time. Really I do not think that's a big stretch. Also that LittleFinger knows that Roose killed Robb is not that surprising neither is the fact that he would of shared that with Dark Sanza

[Mel_Rose]

Anyonw else catch the fact that the High Septon was made to do A Walk of Shame? Hmm, telegraphing future events a bit here. A bit heavy handed of D&D in my opinion.

It's only heavy-handed if you know what's coming.

[Alboin]

I will probably bring down a lot of hatred on myself, but I have to say it: I never really liked this whole fake Arya plot in the books. I was waiting for it to end all the time and was disappointed when it didn't in aDwD. So I absolutely don't mind "Sansa goes to Winterfell" twist and actually enjoy it for now. How it will play out is different story, it can fail, it can succeed, but I'm intrigued.

[WeaselPie]

High Sparrow - Lord Duckwing - King Turtle - Howland Reed

[hallam]

I wouldn't mind it so much if they treated male nudity the same way but the way females are objectified and treated like a piece of meat in this show is just disgusting.

Come on, people were spitting feathers when they put in the Loras sex scene.

The sparrow is going to attack Marg through Loras which was the point of that scene. And that makes for a much better TV plotline.

At this point we have only seen the high sparrow in one scene. People are already complaining that D&D haven't exposed every facet of a character who appears in half a book.

[Ser Pounce FTW]

High Sparrow - Lord Duckwing - King Turtle - Howland Reed

Yes, I did notice this and wondered if this was the nod we got from the Nikolaj Coster-Waldau interview. He said it was for book readers. As if we don't know what's coming for poor Cersei. But I didn't connect it to Howland Reed. Where's that coming from? Showing the Moat Cailin in the credits?

Hmmmmmmm.

Edited April 27, 2015 by Ser Pounce FTW

[HouseHarrison]

This is hilarious, and you're a great troll. :D

I embellish a lot and act intentionally comedic, but I assure you I'm never trolling.

[TheHodorThatWasPromised]

Why do people like you even watch the show if you don't like it ?

No one is forcing you to do it.

Hey all I'm back! I'm here to tell you why this weeks episode was terrible.

-So D&D have officially decided Jaqern's far more intriguing and interesting Oldtown story scheme was "too confusing" (much like LSH) and thus cut. Instead we get this banal training arc mentor crap. Grand Maester conspiracy? Faceless men and Valyria? The truth about the Hightowers? Salleras? WHO CARES, LEL MAISIE WILLIAMS SAID CUNT XD!

-Adult Tommen is annoying and shit. Why the hell did D&D up-age him again? It doesn't even make any sense. Like 2 seasons ago he was a little kid sitting in Cersei's lap. I get D&D dumb shit down and expect the audience to just accept it, but do they really expect us to forget this?

-More useless sex shit. Nobody cares D&D. You're not edgy. You're just wasting time. I mean you cut all these characters and plots yet somehow find the time to shove in the same rehashed sex scenes every damn episode. OMG BEWBS. Fuck off with your crap.

-D&D have of course dumbed down the Margy-Cersei cold war into the most ridiculous petty schoolyard girl antics.

-Inserting Sansa into the Winterfell arc? FUCK YOU D&D YOU SHITS FOR BRAINS. This is the biggest fuckup yet. It makes no goddamn sense and just destroys the best storyline from D&D. Nevermind it makes LF the stupidest guy in Westeros. I bet they're gonna add some sansa "strong independent wmyz dark sansa outsmarts roose bolton" bullshit. And I also like how in the books LF is ultra-careful to avoid anybody knowing sansa is still alive. Yet in the show he parades her around all day and casually eats with her at taverns and everybody seems to just be aware of who she is

-"The North Remembers". OOOOO AAAAA SO BADASS THOUGHT D&D. This will surely satisfy the fans, right?! Wrong. Do they think randomly shoehorning in this quote while removing the character who most famously says it and the situation it's most famously said in will compensate for that? No. Fuck off D&D.

-AND HOW DOES SANSA EVEN KNOW ROOSE KILLED ROBB. HOW DOES EVERYBODY IN THE FUCKING WORLD KNOW THIS. D&D proving once again they think Westeros is the size of Disneyland.

-Speaking of how this Sansa Winterfell crap makes no sense. It makes absolutely no sense sansa would agree to marry ramsay. she just changes her mind and decides for no reason despite being against it seconds before. Moreover why the hell is everybody 100% okay with Sansa being alive? Why would Bolton or LF (both Lannister allies) both openly fuck around with Sansa like this when she's wanted for the death of Joffrey? And don't try to rationalize this huge goddamn plothole with D&D's weak excuse of a justification, that was total bullshit and answered NOTHING. Baelish would never openly confront the Lannisters like this (he's actually SUBTLE in the books) and Bolton still has and needs Frey/Lannister support despite the death of Tywin. Margy doesn't "Adore" Sansa either. Bullshit weak excuse for bullshit weak plot/10

-Why was Moat Caillin even in this weeks episode? Do D&D think it's the only place in the North? besides Winterfell?

-D&D suggesting Brienne > Hound again. Oh fuck off.

-Then after trying to elevate Brienne, they do this self-hating "i'm so ugly" emo bullshit. Book Brienne would never get this shallow and banal. D&D seem desperate to prop up women characters but like any true SJW they ultimately have them lose any kind of complexity.

-THIS FUCKING KID IN THE NIGHT'S WATCH WON'T GO AWAY. GO AWAY AND DIE.

-Thorne is Eastwatch Commander? Does Cotter Pyke just not exist anymore even though he is mentioned in past seasons? Do D&D just constantly pretend the audience is stupid enough to forget people every goddamn episode?

-Turning Waif into some kind of school bully with this beating shit. House of Black and White isn't a fucking boarding school you pieces of shit.

-Thorne was never a ranger but now he's a gr8 ranger !!!!!!

-No fetch me a block of course. Cuz D&D just gotta take away every iconic quote just to fuck with us.

-Fucked up the general execution scene. They make Jon seem far too smug and happy about the whole thing. They take away all of his conflict and reasoning over it, they take away the fact he gives Janos a night to think over his insubordination, they take away him changing his method of execution (thus making everyone thinking he backed down, which added great tension to the scene). They have Janos go on some sort of "I was always afraid" diatribe as if D&D think they're geniuses for trying to flesh out the character. Stannis nod can't save it.

-Oh wow more sex scenes D&D. Soooo edgy.

-Oh look it's ISIS, or should we say the show Sparrows because D&D are inserting their fedora atheist shit into a medieval setting. in the books the sparrows are against this high septon because he was appointed by Tyrion, who is reviled by the common folks and seen as corrupt. Not because of this "sinner" bullcrap. Stfu with demonizing the faith and the sparrows, D&D. Not to mention I'm sure they're going to not even have him killed by Cersei over her Tyrion paranoia, because the show is so hell-bent on whitewashing cersei for some reason.

-High Sparrow smiling and joking and shit. No. He's above such petty pleasantries. He is faith and pious incarnate

-Making Ramsay act like a nice cool guy around people. Fuck off D&D. He's already a renowned monster. First you give him that shitty girlfriend, now you do this. Stop destroying the character

-"Who supports me now that Tywin is dead" asks show-Roose. Well D&D, how about the Lannisters and Freys? Why wouldn't they? Fucking stupid show

-Volantis Tyrion is such a shit in this show. Snarky whiny bitch who plays with a door, loses all the insanity/near-evil attitudes and actions Tyrion has at this point in the books. No roughing up a prostitute (INSTEAD HE'S NICE TO HER) and no talking about raping and murdering Cersei. Instead more LEL FUNNY JOKES XD! Because we can't have any kind of complexity or negativity with fan favorite Peter Dinklage! Fuck you and fuck your character whitewashing, D&D. You even have him REFUSE A WHORE out of grief. You do not understand this character at all, clearly. I mean I guess I get why they cut Penny when D&D have made her completely unnecessary by making Tyrion so fucking one dimensional.

-Speaking of character assassination, fucking Varys man. They're wrecking him with this Tyrion bro roadtrip comedy bullcrap. He's THE SPIDER. He's sinister master planner tier. He has no friends in King's Landing. He's above this pleb bullcrap. Him and Illyrio have men for this kind of shit with Tyrion in the books because they're not retards in the books. We can expect Varys' best moment from ADWD to of course be removed, for this comedy bullshit. Not to mention they're making him out to be completely inept

This weeks ep earns 10/10 in character assassination for Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger, and Roose. Bravo D&DWeekly reminder that the show has been shit since season 2 and the books are better. I'll be back next week

Edited April 27, 2015 by TheHodorThatWasPromised

[Cas Stark]

Come on, people were spitting feathers when they put in the Loras sex scene.

The sparrow is going to attack Marg through Loras which was the point of that scene. And that makes for a much better TV plotline.

At this point we have only seen the high sparrow in one scene. People are already complaining that D&D haven't exposed every facet of a character who appears in half a book.

How is Loras being persecuted for being gay a much better plotline? It is completely irrelevant to the main story of Cersei and Marg's conflicting trials. It will be a waste of time.

[WeaselPie]

Yes, I did notice this and wondered if this was the nod we got from the Nikolaj Coster-Waldau interview. He said it was for book readers. As if we don't know what's coming for poor Cersei. But I didn't connect it to Howland Reed. Where's that coming from? Showing the Moat Cailin in the credits?

Hmmmmmmm.

I didn't connect NCW's duck enigma.

But it does seem that someone from the Neck would have gotten nicknames inspired by animals almost always found in swamp and marshland.

I read it this way:

"High Sparrow, haha what a funny name. Almost as funny as a couple of others I've had before which relate to my origins."

[Ser Pounce FTW]

How is Loras being persecuted for being gay a much better plotline? It is completely irrelevant to the main story of Cersei and Marg's conflicting trials. It will be a waste of time.

The show seems to be going out of it's way to avoid duplicate storylines. Almost as much as Martin goes out of his way to include them. I'd say Margaery saying "perhaps" to Loras' teasing that Cersei will remain in KL to cause her trouble was a big set up. It looks like D&D have decided that rather than have both queens being held by the HS for the same crime, it will only be one.

[Cas Stark]

The show seems to be going out of it's way to avoid duplicate storylines. Almost as much as Martin goes out of his way to include them. I'd say Margaery saying "perhaps" to Loras' teasing that Cersei will remain in KL to cause her trouble was a big set up. It looks like D&D have decided that rather than have both queens being held by the HS for the same crime, it will only be one.

That would be strange, since odds are that Marg loses her trial in the book. If she isn't ever even put on trial in the show and Cersei is disgraced then that would leave the Tyrells in full power. Maybe Marg wins her trial in which case, a trial could be cut from the show.

The perhaps was just to key us in, in case we're really stupid, that Marg is going to try and get rid of Cersei, which she did this episode, getting Tommen to try and get her to back to CR.

[Ser Pounce FTW]

That would be strange, since odds are that Marg loses her trial in the book. If she isn't ever even put on trial in the show and Cersei is disgraced then that would leave the Tyrells in full power. Maybe Marg wins her trial in which case, a trial could be cut from the show.

The perhaps was just to key us in, in case we're really stupid, that Marg is going to try and get rid of Cersei, which she did this episode, getting Tommen to try and get her to back to CR.

I have wondered what this new direction might mean for the books. Either she doesn't loose her trial in the books or she falls in a different way on the show. But it definitely looks like Loras will be the first Tyrell to fall on the show and then Cersei will be taken.

[Rockroi]

Okay, so we finally got Game of Thrones this week.

What I liked:

Sansa as Sansa; Arya as Arya: What I enjoyed most this week was that the two women at the front of the Stark bloodline are in the most important positions for them; this is in STARK (haha) contrast to the book where NEITHER Stark is where they need to be (Arya is not Arya; Sansa is not Sansa- instead a mock Arya is there where… Sansa REALLY should have been). Here, Sansa’s portrayal as the pawn in the Bolton game has a really great up-side: she may be a queen in pawn clothing. Meanwhile, Arya is getting the training she needs. IN BOTH cases, the show does a phenomenal job in showing the emotional turmoil and near-torture the two women are going through. This was a great return to the show.

Jon Lannister: I said this when Dance was released: that Jon Snow’s handling of the Janos Slynt debacle was absolutely, 100% the correct way to handle that situation and that he inherited; it was the way Tywin would have handled it; it was the way Tyrion would have handled it. IT was the way to go. And it shows what it takes to actually lead men. Not all will love you; they all need to respect you.

Also, deft move my Jon in making Thorne the First Ranger, thus removing him from Janos’ inner-ring. Everything about that scene was great. Just like the book.

And I loved how one character acted specifically… which brings me to …

The King and his Hand: Stannis was about as good as he has ever been in the show so far. It was great that he kept the good double-edged portion of his personality- even claiming that honor is NOT a compliment (and, the way Aristotle described it … he’s 100% right). And as anyone will tell you, keep your enemies close… said NOBODY WHO EVER HAD ENEMIES!!!! Fuck Stannis is incredible.

But Davos. Amazing. He knows to whom he speaks; he know how to smooth things over; he knows how to discuss what Stannis wants and needs and knows how to do it so Jon will give it to him. Davis Seaworth is something Feast for Crows and Dance of Dragons lacked: a character that remembered HE WAS IN A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE! Davis is great.

Taking the Dwarf, 1,2,3: I love two things about this week: The fact that Sansa arrived at Winterfell quickly instead of waiting until week 8; and that Mormont took Tyrion without having to engage in 20 minutes of planning. Just, Do. What. We. Know. You. Are. Going. To. Do. Take notes- that’s solid writing. Just ... do it! There is no need to drag this stuff out.

Cersei: Fine. Not great; fine. And Gregor still “alive.” Sorry, Viper-apologists: even on technicality, he lost. Get over it. I also enjoyed the rift between Cersei and Margery and how Cersei- like Brienne- has to live with the scalding laughter of children.

On the Fence:

Brienne of Nowhere Near Tarth: I really liked how Brienne is self-aware enough to know that Pod needs her and she needs Pod to be better than he is. Training Pod is great.

Oh, but her still wanting revenge for Renly? Bored. Out of my Mind. Who gives a shit? Her desire to revenge a character who died 3 seasons ago is utterly uninteresting. She should get obver it. That would be cool. Instead? We know how Stannis will die: in a stupid, lame revenge plot. …. Hooray .... said nobody ever.

Oh, and it makes NO SENSE AT ALL that the boys would make fun of her … in her father’s castle… under his roof… at his party. They may have said something after, but FUCK NO! They are NOT doing it during the party. Arbitrary cruelty is arbitrary.

What I did Not Like:

The Lost: I didn’t dislike anything actually IN this episode; I liked everything. But the stuff that was NOT in it? No Dany, no Jaime. Swing and a miss. You wasted TWO episodes on a bunch of forgettable shit so we could have … no Jaime and no Dany.

I have not forgotten. Because the North- and Pepperidge Farm- remembers.

(yeah, the board ate my original post).

Edited April 27, 2015 by Rockroi