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Does anyone else get the impression that D & D are a couple of perverts? Seriously, I think many of the actors and especially actresses must be annoyed with some of the shit that they have to do to get a paycheck on this show but really cannot say too much since it would be bitting the hand that feeds them.

I don't really think the nudity in the show is that excessive...

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On second viewing I connected Jaqen's telling Arya, "There is only one god" with Syrio Forel, First Sword of Bravos. Didn't he continually tell Arya that there was only one god, the god of death, then ask, "And what do we say to Death?" "Not today."



Somebody in a post several pages back said that since Maester Aemon is ill, perhaps he won't make the journey with Sam and Gilly, and that if this is the case, maybe the "Egg, I dreamed I was old" line would be said to Jon. I'd be fine with this, too, I just want that line included, please, please D & D!

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When Sansa started over to the Vale Tywin was still alive. Initially the Lannisters were still players, LF may not have known for a while that Tywin was dead. However now that he knows, he had 3 choices - ally with Stannis, stay in the Erie, or ally with the Boltons. I doubt Stannis would have had him.

I loved that bit with Thorne too, I thought that was a great touch.

I actually was confused by that too. I mean the argument now would be "She's not a virgin!" "Um, duh?" Maybe since they hinted at a baby the story will switch to Cersei ironically claiming that Tommen is not the new baby's father when Margery conceives.

Um, who is ruling the Seven Kingdoms? Is Tommen of age? Is there a Regent? If there isn't a Regent, is Tommen actually king? I can't remember anyone referring to Cersei as Queen Regent.

I thought that there were rules against putting actors below the age of 18 in sexual scenes. Dean-Charles Chapman, who plays Tommen, won't be 18 until September.

TV-Margaery is being smart. She's in her mid to late twenties married to a king who is what, 14? In 10 years, he will be in his prime and she'll be 36 or whatever. She is wise to try to enthrall and influence him now, get him in the habit of seeking her advice, not to mention having sex with her so she can give him an heir.

I don't remember the High Sparrow in the book being such a friendly person. But maybe he does exert enough charm to help Cersei dig her own grave by trusting him.

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I don't care what anyone says, Margaery Tyrell is the best character expanded upon and adapted for the television show.


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I don't remember the High Sparrow in the book being such a friendly person. But maybe he does exert enough charm to help Cersei dig her own grave by trusting him.

The High Sparrow was an extremely charismatic and honest man. Readers might be wary of religious fanatics but given the insincerity of the faith on display, I cut him a lot of slack.

I'm 100% on his side that they need to clean out the corruption in the Church.

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Hey all I'm back! I'm here to tell you why this weeks episode was terrible.

-So D&D have officially decided Jaqern's far more intriguing and interesting Oldtown story scheme was "too confusing" (much like LSH) and thus cut. Instead we get this banal training arc mentor crap. Grand Maester conspiracy? Faceless men and Valyria? The truth about the Hightowers? Salleras? WHO CARES, LEL MAISIE WILLIAMS SAID CUNT XD!

-Adult Tommen is annoying and shit. Why the hell did D&D up-age him again? It doesn't even make any sense. Like 2 seasons ago he was a little kid sitting in Cersei's lap. I get D&D dumb shit down and expect the audience to just accept it, but do they really expect us to forget this?

-More useless sex shit. Nobody cares D&D. You're not edgy. You're just wasting time. I mean you cut all these characters and plots yet somehow find the time to shove in the same rehashed sex scenes every damn episode. OMG BEWBS. Fuck off with your crap.

-D&D have of course dumbed down the Margy-Cersei cold war into the most ridiculous petty schoolyard girl antics.

-Inserting Sansa into the Winterfell arc? FUCK YOU D&D YOU SHITS FOR BRAINS. This is the biggest fuckup yet. It makes no goddamn sense and just destroys the best storyline from D&D. Nevermind it makes LF the stupidest guy in Westeros. I bet they're gonna add some sansa "strong independent wmyz dark sansa outsmarts roose bolton" bullshit. And I also like how in the books LF is ultra-careful to avoid anybody knowing sansa is still alive. Yet in the show he parades her around all day and casually eats with her at taverns and everybody seems to just be aware of who she is

-"The North Remembers". OOOOO AAAAA SO BADASS THOUGHT D&D. This will surely satisfy the fans, right?! Wrong. Do they think randomly shoehorning in this quote while removing the character who most famously says it and the situation it's most famously said in will compensate for that? No. Fuck off D&D.

-AND HOW DOES SANSA EVEN KNOW ROOSE KILLED ROBB. HOW DOES EVERYBODY IN THE FUCKING WORLD KNOW THIS. D&D proving once again they think Westeros is the size of Disneyland.

-Speaking of how this Sansa Winterfell crap makes no sense. It makes absolutely no sense sansa would agree to marry ramsay. she just changes her mind and decides for no reason despite being against it seconds before. Moreover why the hell is everybody 100% okay with Sansa being alive? Why would Bolton or LF (both Lannister allies) both openly fuck around with Sansa like this when she's wanted for the death of Joffrey? And don't try to rationalize this huge goddamn plothole with D&D's weak excuse of a justification, that was total bullshit and answered NOTHING. Baelish would never openly confront the Lannisters like this (he's actually SUBTLE in the books) and Bolton still has and needs Frey/Lannister support despite the death of Tywin. Margy doesn't "Adore" Sansa either. Bullshit weak excuse for bullshit weak plot/10.

-Why was Moat Caillin even in this weeks episode? Do D&D think it's the only place in the North? besides Winterfell?

-D&D suggesting Brienne > Hound again. Oh fuck off.

-Then after trying to elevate Brienne, they do this self-hating "i'm so ugly" emo bullshit. Book Brienne would never get this shallow and banal. D&D seem desperate to prop up women characters but like any true SJW they ultimately have them lose any kind of complexity.

-THIS FUCKING KID IN THE NIGHT'S WATCH WON'T GO AWAY. GO AWAY AND DIE.

-Thorne is Eastwatch Commander? Does Cotter Pyke just not exist anymore even though he is mentioned in past seasons? Do D&D just constantly pretend the audience is stupid enough to forget people every goddamn episode?

-Turning Waif into some kind of school bully with this beating shit. House of Black and White isn't a fucking boarding school you pieces of shit.

-Thorne was never a ranger but now he's a gr8 ranger!!!!!

-No fetch me a block of course. Cuz D&D just gotta take away every iconic quote just to fuck with us.

-Fucked up the general execution scene. They make Jon seem far too smug and happy about the whole thing. They take away all of his conflict and reasoning over it, they take away the fact he gives Janos a night to think over his insubordination, they take away him changing his method of execution (thus making everyone thinking he backed down, which added great tension to the scene). They have Janos go on some sort of "I was always afraid" diatribe as if D&D think they're geniuses for trying to flesh out the character. Stannis nod can't save it.

-Oh wow more sex scenes D&D. Soooo edgy.

-Oh look it's ISIS, or should we say the show Sparrows because D&D are inserting their fedora atheist shit into a medieval setting. in the books the sparrows are against this high septon because he was appointed by Tyrion, who is reviled by the common folks and seen as corrupt. Not because of this "sinner" bullcrap. Stfu with demonizing the faith and the sparrows, D&D. Not to mention I'm sure they're going to not even have him killed by Cersei over her Tyrion paranoia, because the show is so hell-bent on whitewashing cersei for some reason.

-High Sparrow smiling and joking and shit. No. He's above such petty pleasantries. He is faith and pious incarnate.

-Making Ramsay act like a nice cool guy around people. Fuck off D&D. He's already a renowned monster. First you give him that shitty girlfriend, now you do this. Stop destroying the character.

-"Who supports me now that Tywin is dead" asks show-Roose. Well D&D, how about the Lannisters and Freys? Why wouldn't they? Fucking stupid show.

-Volantis Tyrion is such a shit in this show. Snarky whiny bitch who plays with a door, loses all the insanity/near-evil attitudes and actions Tyrion has at this point in the books. No roughing up a prostitute (INSTEAD HE'S NICE TO HER) and no talking about raping and murdering Cersei. Instead more LEL FUNNY JOKES XD! Because we can't have any kind of complexity or negativity with fan favorite Peter Dinklage! Fuck you and fuck your character whitewashing, D&D. You even have him REFUSE A WHORE out of grief. You do not understand this character at all, clearly. I mean I guess I get why they cut Penny when D&D have made her completely unnecessary by making Tyrion so fucking one dimensional.

-Speaking of character assassination, fucking Varys man. They're wrecking him with this Tyrion bro roadtrip comedy bullcrap. He's THE SPIDER. He's sinister master planner tier. He has no friends in King's Landing. He's above this pleb bullcrap. Him and Illyrio have men for this kind of shit with Tyrion in the books because they're not retards in the books. We can expect Varys' best moment from ADWD to of course be removed, for this comedy bullshit. Not to mention they're making him out to be completely inept.

This weeks ep earns 10/10 in character assassination for Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger, and Roose. Bravo D&D!

Weekly reminder that the show has been shit since season 2 and the books are better. I'll be back next week!

Shit, and I thought my review was negative. This made me laugh.

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If anything, some of the nudity has been toned down.

It's not only the nudity but the oversexuality. The ageing of Tommen, Myrcella and Trystane and the sexification of Maggy the Frog.

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I wouldn't mind it so much if they treated male nudity the same way but the way females are objectified and treated like a piece of meat in this show is just disgusting.


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Where on the show has it said that Maester Aemon is ill? I don't remember any character mentioning that.

Sam tells Jon when asked where he was. I don't like where that's going. :( Edited by Nictarion

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Minor observations/responses to what I've read here:



  • I'm just as WTF about Sansa's storyline as everyone else is. Doesn't make much sense to me at the moment, but I'm actually quite excited to see where it leads.
  • "The North Remembers" was exciting to hear on the show, but I hope it leads somewhere. The Boltons wouldn't be dumb enough to allow some Stark loyalist/sympathizer to privately and personally attend Sansa (as many have stated). GIVE US SOMETHING REMINISCENT TO THE MANDERLY SPEECH!
  • I thought the Slynt beheading was good, not great. THAT STANNIS NOD, THOUGH! THANK HEAVENS THEY INCLUDED IT!.
  • They are making Varys way too un-Varys like. First, his motivations get drastically reduced in complexity and spelled out in the very first episode. Now, he's bumbling around and brothel-hopping with Tyrion, then manages to lose him within about 3 minutes. There better be something substantial up his sleeve.
  • Really interested to see what they do with Olly and Alliser Thorne. A strange hunch of mine is that Alliser actually tries to protect Jon when he gets stabbed at Season's end. Would be a fitting character reversal and character arc now that Thorne is slowly gaining more respect for Jon and Jon is treating him well. Most would expect him to be in on the assault on Jon (if Thorne's still at Castle Black), but I could see the show doing the opposite. I could also see Olly being in on the assassination attempt in some tragic way.
  • The House of Black and White stuff was kinda meh for me. The set's looked pretty cool but the scene's were just so-so.

Stoked that we'll soon to be into territory that even the leaks haven't spoiled yet.


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If they were going to do that, there would have been no reason for the Sansa engagement.

And as others have said, LF should definitely know about Ramsey and he should have warned Sansa about it.

what? Do you know Roose's supposed motto he tells Ramsay to abide by? Why would anyone know how Ramsay acts? They may guess because of what the Boltons are known for...but that shit was supposed to be outlawed.

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