hodorisazorahaireborn Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The ice dragon in GRRM's novel, is made entirely out of living ice.It's been said that sometimes it's like the wall protects itself, like it's alive.Well that's the ice dragon working it's magic hehe. Ty for reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night's Princess Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Dragon theories, dragon theories everywhere. I prefer to think Dany's dragons are unique and that their presence in the world influences and strengthens other magic, such as that which imbues the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mish Windage Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Feels like magic is almost a season to me. Possible something like the comet, or something else... Like on Earth the rotation/tilt dictates how hot or wet certain areas are and makes the seasons happen. Similar, the movements out in space affect their world with "magical" seasons. Others, Dragons, Warlock stuff, etc... all becoming more active due to some natural phenomena. If so, maybe dragons are going to start hatching on their own, putting to lie the "magic formulas" (blood and fire, death for life)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickdt Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Well, you can be right. But this makes the Dragonhorn and the Horn of Joramun the same horn. So when Victarion blows the horn, the wall will go down, cause the Ice Dragon will wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think there is some Ice Dragon. That would be too much of a "Deus ex Machina" for my liking. GRRM is all about careful foreshadowing. There has not even been a slight HINT of there being a dragon in the wall. If the wall comes down and a magic dragon pops up out of nowhere with no foreshadowing or warning, that would be lazy writing on GRRM's part, something he doesn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyll.Ing. Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 "The wall protects itself, like it is alive". Which makes fans go "Alive == Dragon!!" Even if the Wall is built of living entities, why does it have to be dragons? I mean, dragons have consistently been referred to as "fire made flesh". That is their defining characteristic. Even if "Ice made flesh" was a thing, why would it just happen to take a form comparable to a dragon? Why can't ice creatures be different from fire creatures? Even if they aren't, what are the taxonomic reasons for giving them the same name? I'd rather have the wall turn out to be built of grumkins and snarks. That would make for a pretty cool twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Dragon theories, dragon theories everywhere. I prefer to think Dany's dragons are unique and that their presence in the world influences and strengthens other magic, such as that which imbues the wall. I think your mixing up cause and effect. While the dragons may influence fire magic, it seems to me the comet signaled the return of magic. I don't think there is some Ice Dragon. That would be too much of a "Deus ex Machina" for my liking. GRRM is all about careful foreshadowing. There has not even been a slight HINT of there being a dragon in the wall. If the wall comes down and a magic dragon pops up out of nowhere with no foreshadowing or warning, that would be lazy writing on GRRM's part, something he doesn't do. You mean. You haven't noticed any foreshadowing, or non to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyrian Blade Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I believe that the place most likely to have an ice dragon is the Land of always Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 There is definitely ice dragons.For those who say no hints suggest this, it's mentioned in a dance of ice dragons being spotted further north. And most of the times when ice dragons are mentioned, they are associated with the wall.That's a fair amount of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderJack Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Very interresting ! "The road beneath the Wall was as dark and cold as the belly of an ice dragon and as twisty as a serpent." Jon VIII, ADWD It's a little bit crazy though... the wall is about 1000 miles long. But perhaps the ice dragon doesn't lie all along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjzkilla Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I don't think there is some Ice Dragon. That would be too much of a "Deus ex Machina" for my liking. GRRM is all about careful foreshadowing. There has not even been a slight HINT of there being a dragon in the wall. If the wall comes down and a magic dragon pops up out of nowhere with no foreshadowing or warning, that would be lazy writing on GRRM's part, something he doesn't do. um in aDwD I dont have quotes but i believe jon on three different occasions thinks about ice dragons and compares the cold to their breath he also says walking on the wall feel like walking through and ice dragons stomach or something and said old nan told him stories about ice dragons and old nan is riht alot soooo there has been forshadowing alot of mentions of ice dragons lately i'd like to think given the time it took to make the wall maybe an ice dragons breath was involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjzkilla Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 i really hope the ice dragons arent working for the others i want jon to ride one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 There is definitely ice dragons. For those who say no hints suggest this, it's mentioned in a dance of ice dragons being spotted further north. And most of the times when ice dragons are mentioned, they are associated with the wall. That's a fair amount of evidence. I agree. Sam wonders if Silverwing left a cache of eggs. The wall is consistently personified (way beyond just writing skills). The wall weeps, it's salty when a drop falls on Bran, the wall protects itself. Hell the Wall being described as weeping is in the very first few pages of the Prologue on AGoT. Lots of nods to it being possible. And I've always thought the dragon horn and the horn of J were one in the same. There's also this, suppose Dany and her dragons get to the Wall and burn the wights and Others, those fires would destroy all the landscaping and so many innocents. Similar to the fire in one of the D&E stories. An Ice Dragon could put out the fires once they've done their job mitigating the damage and loss of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 The Wall is a secret Targaryen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanor Clegane Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Of course their is a ice dragon in the wall! I figured though Sam will get eggs at the citadel to bring back to the wall and hatch. In the tragedy at summerhall for example maybe Aegon5 tried hatching ice dragons unbeknownst in fire which is why it didn't work. Give bran an ice dragon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Ice dragons come from cold water, fire dragons from stone eggs and sea dragons from the ice of the wall. I have a whole series on ice dragons on my blog in signature link. Bran is going to be Winter the ice dragon, and it is from Winter, of whom The Winds Blow. There are three ice dragons. One collosal one. The stone dragon is made of ice. My recent post lSo Long Night: Winter is Birthing" has a synopsis of all of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tongue Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 couldn't Jon be the Ice Dragon at the wall? His body will likely be stored in a gaol cell inside the wall itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSh!t Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 There are 11 occurrences from the books referencing ICE DRAGON: ASOIAF ACOK 35 Bran Stark 1 "Look for the ICE DRAGON, and chase the blue star in the rider's eye." ASOIAF ASOS 24 Bran II Bran Stark 1 "When they lost their way, as happened once or twice, they need only wait for a clear cold night when the clouds did not intrude, and look up in the sky for the ICE DRAGON." ASOIAF ASOS 26 Jon IV Jon Snow 1 "Maester Luwin had taught him his stars as a boy in Winterfell; he had learned the names of the twelve houses of heaven and the rulers of each; he could find the seven wanderers sacred to the Faith; he was old friends with the ICE DRAGON, the Shadowcat, the Moonmaid, and the Sword of the Morning." ASOIAF ASOS 41 Jon VI Jon Snow 1 "Jon searched the sky until he found the ICE DRAGON, then turned the mare north for the Wall and Castle Black." ASOIAF ASOS 46 Samwell III Samwell Tarly 1 "By day he took directions from the sun, and on clear nights they could follow the ICE DRAGON's tail, though they hadn't traveled much by night since the second horse had died." ASOIAF ASOS 63 Davos VI Davos Seaworth 1 "The clouds hid most of the ICE DRAGON, all but the bright blue eye that marked due north." ASOIAF ASOS 64 Jon IX Jon Snow 1 " it felt like walking down the gullet of an ICE DRAGON." ASOIAF ADWD 35 Jon VII Jon Snow 1 "The wind was gusting, cold as the breath of the ICE DRAGON in the tales Old Nan had told when Jon was a boy." ASOIAF ADWD 39 Jon VIII Jon Snow 1 "The road beneath the Wall was as dark and cold as the belly of an ICE DRAGON and as twisty as a serpent." ASOIAF ADWD 49 Jon X Jon Snow 1 "The snowfall was light today, a thin scattering of flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall, cold as the breath of the ICE DRAGON in the tales Old Nan used to tell." D&E DE 2 The Sworn Sword Duncan The Tall 1" But there were clouds to the north, and the blue eye of the ICE DRAGON was lost to him, the blue eye that pointed north." Will Jon ride a Ice dragon?? Is the pond (water) at Winterfell the ice dragon itself?? Who knows but we do know GRRM loves foreshadowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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