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So, we're going to find out who Jon is this season? I think sooooooooooo

probably not without Bran or Howland potentially . maybe next season

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So the Rhaegar the singing minstrel story was to drive home how much of not a rapist he was? After Sansa's comments in the crypts? Can we really expect non-readers to pick up on these things?

It will be very useful later when the show reveals Jon's secret parentage. No complaints like 'It came out of nowhere!'

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In the next episode, Stannis is seen leaving the Wall with an army. But do you reckon Mel is not going with him? Irrespective of him asking her to be on his side? We do have a scene of Mel watching something from the tower.


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I don't understand why everyone loves this Stannis and Shireen scene. Stannis would never say that stuff, he never even talks to Shireen.

It's Stannis being Less Stannis while still being Stannis to his She Stannis. Hug her Stannis, hug her! Hugs. (CLAPS)

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I've suspected that R+L=J will be revealed next season when Bran returns. I don't really think they need to introduce Howland Reed. Meera might know or Bloodraven.


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-The whole Iron Bank Mace Tyrell deal. Holyyyyy shit, this is fucking stupid and makes no sense. Mace Tyrell is the Lord of Highgarden and the strongest man in Westeros at this point. Why is he doing this? Doesn't Mace have a war to be fighting? Have D&D forgotten that a war still needs to be fought? Why does he have to go when the job is clearly beneath him and he's too busy elsewhere? Why is Trant acting as his escort and not Highgarden men? He has no reason to obey Cersei and no reason to be doing this, especially since the Iron Bank itself sends envoys all over the world! Even book Mace isn't stupid enough to act like this. D&D took a dumb character and made him full-fledged retarded.

It seems they're trying to create a true "queen's season," and maybe got a little sloppy using stupid Mace, irresponsible Loras, and pussy Tommen, against Margery (I have to contact grandmother) and Cyrsei. It's supposed to show the power of women this season, but Mace is just seriously Disney dumb this episode. Even the 'stache. ridiculous!

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Wow that fight scene at the end was dumb. 8-10 Unsullied in a tight, long corridor essentially, with spears and shields, vs a bunch of knife wielding guys in robes. Why didn't they just stand in two lines, back-to-back, and use their spears to keep the enemy at bay? Because D&D needed some shock factor.


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LF did shoot her a look like "come on..nobody believes Robert's and Ned's BS story..." Of course, it would serve no purpose for him to challenge her thinking on that.

That look... :cheers:

I love how they give us the dead giveaway on Jon being the King and go rait to the crypt in the very next scene it was awesome

the guys at work all missed the voice

The voice? I must have missed it too.

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It seems they're trying to create a true "queen's season," and maybe got a little sloppy using stupid Mace, irresponsible Loras, and pussy Tommen, against Margery (I have to contact grandmother) and Cyrsei. It's supposed to show the power of women this season, but Mace is just seriously Disney dumb this episode. Even the 'stache. ridiculous!

Meh..I never had much respect for book Tyrell either...

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The Sparrow doesn't come across as sly and devious.

I think that was the point. Cersei thinks he doesn't know how to play this game.. But oh he does

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umm so cercei sends the door holder, paper fetching, mama's boy mace to deal with the iron bank? that should go well


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So, we're going to find out who Jon is this season? I think sooooooooooo

It seems very likely. Its subtle if you don't know what's coming and something like this will easily be forgotten by a lot non-readers if you wait until next year (and no doubt, a good many of them didn't pick up on it at all).

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I've suspected that R+L=J will be revealed next season when Bran returns. I don't really think they need to introduce Howland Reed. Meera might know or Bloodraven.

If Meera knew, why would she withhold that information from Bran? She had plenty of time to relay it over the course of their journey. That would be bad writing on top of bad writing.

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