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Hey all! Back this week to tell you why this episode sucked:

-I like how Bronn just perfectly spells out why Jaime's Dorne adventure plot makes no goddamned sense. Just bring Bronn and 40 men indeed! It doesn't have to be Jaime. There's no reason for any of this to take place from a logical standpoint. D&D set up the counter argument but offer no debunking of it. How stupid do they think we are?

-Jaime threatening to kill Tyrion and flat-out hating him. The conflicting nature of Jaime in the books about this is gone. First the show makes him a rapist, now this. Are they determined to ruin Jaime's redemption arc?

-The whole Iron Bank Mace Tyrell deal. Holyyyyy shit, this is fucking stupid and makes no sense. Mace Tyrell is the Lord of Highgarden and the strongest man in Westeros at this point. Why is he doing this? Doesn't Mace have a war to be fighting? Have D&D forgotten that a war still needs to be fought? Why does he have to go when the job is clearly beneath him and he's too busy elsewhere? Why is Trant acting as his escort and not Highgarden men? He has no reason to obey Cersei and no reason to be doing this, especially since the Iron Bank itself sends envoys all over the world! Even book Mace isn't stupid enough to act like this. D&D took a dumb character and made him full-fledged retarded.

-Cersei being the one who proposes reestablishing the Faith Militant out of nowhere for absolutely no reason. She even put the goddamned idea into the High Sparrow's head! At least her agreeing to it in the books made sense as part of her trade with the High Sparrow. Here she gained NOTHING. Doing all this to arrest Loras made no sense when in the show the Sparrows were already arresting people for the crazy shit D&D thinks the Sparrows arrest people for. This is major dumbing down for Cersei, who the show usually whitewashes and flatters. Bizarre D&D antics.

-I've said it before now but it still needs to be said this week. D&D inserting their fucking 2015 fedora atheism bullshit into a medieval setting they clearly don't understand very well. The Sparrows, an army of war refugees that help the people, is now ISIS that goes around terrorizing smallfolk for no reason. They even run around beheading gay people, as if D&D think this is some brilliant Christianity parallel. The Sparrows are a refugee movement that of course in a medieval setting would be religious in nature, they're not terrorists and running around murdering gay people is in direct contradiction to their objectives. Fuck you D&D, simplifying a more complex situation.

-And arresting Loras instead of Margy. Fucking lol. I bet you think this is some brilliant political commentary, D&D. Omg evil Republicans Indiana pizzerias. Fuck off. So the High Sparrow is going to arbitrarily turn the whole realm upside down just to persecute Loras for no real reason, who ultimately is just a Knight of the Kingsguard? And what's the endgame? To annoy Margy? It won't change her status at all. Book Cersei framing Margy actually made goddamn sense because it removed the goddamn problem Cersei goddamn had and the charges brought before her seemed like something the High Sparrow might actually care about given that she's the queen! Not to mention this plot makes NO SENSE in the greater scheme of things. So Mace is just going to continue to let his son be terrorized while he acts as Cersei's messenger? In the books when Margy is arrested Mace drops everything he's doing and arrives in KL with an army. Because that is what the Lord of Highgarden would do. But D&D are as dumb as Mace, apparently.

-And one more thing, did you really just have to insert Loras into yet another "gay gay gay he's gay gay!" subplot. You're robbing Loras of his biggest battle in the books, just for more walking gay billboard. Bravo with that character development.

-WHY IS TOMMEN RUNNING AROUND THE RED KEEP WITH NO GODDAMN KINGSGUARD, OR GUARDS OF ANY KIND. Do people realize the last King was fucking murdered?!

-The Sparrows just casually rejecting the King, threatening him, then shitting on him. Book High Sparrow ain't this stupid, and neither should the show counterpart. This whole scene was fucking stupid and made no sense. Sparrow smallfolk shits don't fucking reject then THREATEN the King of Westeros so blatantly like that and get away with it. And don't give me that "omg it shows how badass they are". No, it's just shit writing inconsistent with the setting.

-I haven't checked this yet and a wiki of ice and fire is down so can't be 100% certain, but did D&D invent house names? Wibberly? Wtf? Is it really that hard to just include the many, many mentioned houses of the series? Do you even care about the source material?

-Useless sex/tits scene, just so D&D can jerk each other off on how edgy they are. NOBODY CARES. Can get better tits on xtube and you're just wasting time. Especially since the entire fucking scene was fucking stupid. Mel trying to bang Jon into breaking his vows? wtf? Do D&D consider both of these characters such lowly retards? Not to mention D&D ONLY did this because the Melisandre actress is the only show bigwig who will show her tits anymore.

-Littlefinger just casually wandering around Winterfell, then King's Landing. Fucking kek. Did he just forget that he has the Vale to rule and tons of Vale Lords are still against him? Do D&D understand how these kind of political systems work? Apparently not, because once you explain something in the show it's instantly over and resolved forever.

[Offensive content removed]

-Removing Rhaegar defeating fucking Arthur Dayne, the BAMF Sword of the Morning, at the Harrenhal Tourney. Instead it's Barristan who D&D will soon shit on to boot. Why remove Dayne? Why remove his epicness? Is it because you plan to never mention him again and hope the audience forgets he ever existed? Fuck you, D&D

-Sansa having a fucking attachment and love for Littlefinger. WHY. IT MAKES NO SENSE. Is it because she's randomly "Darth Sansa" now so she arbitrarily likes other bad guys? Bravo D&D. This is like poetry, it rhymes.

-Littlefinger: "Stannis has a larger army". NO HE FUCKING DOESN'T. HE CAME TO THE NORTH WITH 1,500 MEN. Roose/Freys (I guess Freys don't exist anymore in the show!) have upwards of 5,000.

-Ramsay is falling in love with Sansa? Fucking fuck you D&D, whitewashing characters at every turn. Instead of the terrifying killer who starved his last wife to death for the lulz, he's falling in wuv. I bet Ramsay's other dear girlfriend will get jealous! Cringe.

-Dorne is white. The Spanish motif is fine, they're Mediterranean inspired. But I dunno where D&D got the idea they're Arabs. They even have fucking scimitars and turbans now. Is it so you can meet your precious diversity quota, D&D?

-Jaime and Bronn just randomly sneaking into Dorne like James Bond is stupid and nonsensical enough, but now they run around murdering Dornish soldiers out of fucking nowhere? What? How will this benefit any of your objectives? If it was self-defense why would the Dornish try to murder Jaime fucking Lannister? Do D&D not understand how Westerosi politics works? I dunno why I'm even asking that anymore.

-Not to mention in this stupid fight, Bronn just lets Jaime nearly die for the lelz. I mean does he realize that if Jaime dies under his care Bronn will lose everything? Apparently not, because Show Bronn is just full of quips and jokes but is otherwise devoid of anything.

-Sand Snakes in general are absolute shit. The actresses are shit, the characterization is shit (MAMA!), their antics are shit. Why would they kill their messenger who betrayed the Lannisters? Nobody else will want to betray the Lannisters for you anymore. Not to mention the Sand Snakes are all simplified down into brutal amazon women (COMPLETE WITH BREASTPLATE NIPPLES! The fact that D&D unironically do this is so telling and symbolic of the show by this point). Nym loses her cunning and charm, Tyene her amiability. They're all just clones of each other. And on top of that, Ellaria is reduced from the voice of reason in the books to just another psycho mass murdering maniac. Is all this because D&D think women can't control themselves themselves? sounds sexist to me! Somehow D&D took a lackluster book plot and made it far, far more stupid.

-Changing Barristan's Rhaegar story with Dany. It was so much more banal, cliche, and typical than what is revealed in the books. Gone is Barristan revealing the mystery of what Rhaegar read that made him decide to become a warrior, gone is the mysterious aloofness and seeming despair that plagued him. Instead he liked to be a fucking mummer who got drunk with knights. What a bro right D&D?! No, fuck you once more

-Hizdhar going from a shrewd ruthless schemer to just some whiny sycophant bitch. Even Dany openly mocks him. D&D seem desperate to introduce minority characters, while simultaneously character-assassinating actual book minority characters. Nonsensical

-The whole Sons of the Harpy fight thing. I'm just left speechless from the stupidity here. Be it the Sons of the Harpy (fucking pampered aristocracy and their thugs) being elite super rambo warriors who fight open battles instead of cloak and dagger book activities, be it Unsullied fighting like Mel Gibson in Braveheart without any kind of cohesion or discipline, or be it Barristan THE BOLD losing to these pieces of shit. It's all so stupid. And did D&D decide to punk Barristan because the actor is a bookfag critical of show deviations? I have no evidence to support this really, but keep in mind that D&D were petty enough to waste 6 minutes of last seasons finale into a tantrum against Orson Scott Card for criticizing the show.

I'll be back next week to explain why the show has sucked since season 2 and the books are better. Bring on the downvotes!

Man and I thought my feelings were extreme lol. Wish someone could more eloquenty and non cursory send this exact statement and House Harrison's past since Season 2 analysis criticisms straight to D &D and see what they say. LOL I mean they will just say, we had the resources to make the tv adaptation come to life and not you....

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Just a question really did those people just kill grey worm AND barristan? What? First they changed (Destroyed) ellaria's no nonsense no revenge character to a revenge thirsty woman but it is ok you know they didnt want to add another character budget concerns blah blah blah sure! all right but now this, seriously??

I posted it in the no spoiler section and was wondering why are there no replies so guys your thoughts?

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Hey all! Back this week to tell you why this episode sucked:

-I like how Bronn just perfectly spells out why Jaime's Dorne adventure plot makes no goddamned sense. Just bring Bronn and 40 men indeed! It doesn't have to be Jaime. There's no reason for any of this to take place from a logical standpoint. D&D set up the counter argument but offer no debunking of it. How stupid do they think we are?

-Jaime threatening to kill Tyrion and flat-out hating him. The conflicting nature of Jaime in the books about this is gone. First the show makes him a rapist, now this. Are they determined to ruin Jaime's redemption arc?

-The whole Iron Bank Mace Tyrell deal. Holyyyyy shit, this is fucking stupid and makes no sense. Mace Tyrell is the Lord of Highgarden and the strongest man in Westeros at this point. Why is he doing this? Doesn't Mace have a war to be fighting? Have D&D forgotten that a war still needs to be fought? Why does he have to go when the job is clearly beneath him and he's too busy elsewhere? Why is Trant acting as his escort and not Highgarden men? He has no reason to obey Cersei and no reason to be doing this, especially since the Iron Bank itself sends envoys all over the world! Even book Mace isn't stupid enough to act like this. D&D took a dumb character and made him full-fledged retarded.

-Cersei being the one who proposes reestablishing the Faith Militant out of nowhere for absolutely no reason. She even put the goddamned idea into the High Sparrow's head! At least her agreeing to it in the books made sense as part of her trade with the High Sparrow. Here she gained NOTHING. Doing all this to arrest Loras made no sense when in the show the Sparrows were already arresting people for the crazy shit D&D thinks the Sparrows arrest people for. This is major dumbing down for Cersei, who the show usually whitewashes and flatters. Bizarre D&D antics.

-I've said it before now but it still needs to be said this week. D&D inserting their fucking 2015 fedora atheism bullshit into a medieval setting they clearly don't understand very well. The Sparrows, an army of war refugees that help the people, is now ISIS that goes around terrorizing smallfolk for no reason. They even run around beheading gay people, as if D&D think this is some brilliant Christianity parallel. The Sparrows are a refugee movement that of course in a medieval setting would be religious in nature, they're not terrorists and running around murdering gay people is in direct contradiction to their objectives. Fuck you D&D, simplifying a more complex situation.

-And arresting Loras instead of Margy. Fucking lol. I bet you think this is some brilliant political commentary, D&D. Omg evil Republicans Indiana pizzerias. Fuck off. So the High Sparrow is going to arbitrarily turn the whole realm upside down just to persecute Loras for no real reason, who ultimately is just a Knight of the Kingsguard? And what's the endgame? To annoy Margy? It won't change her status at all. Book Cersei framing Margy actually made goddamn sense because it removed the goddamn problem Cersei goddamn had and the charges brought before her seemed like something the High Sparrow might actually care about given that she's the queen! Not to mention this plot makes NO SENSE in the greater scheme of things. So Mace is just going to continue to let his son be terrorized while he acts as Cersei's messenger? In the books when Margy is arrested Mace drops everything he's doing and arrives in KL with an army. Because that is what the Lord of Highgarden would do. But D&D are as dumb as Mace, apparently.

-And one more thing, did you really just have to insert Loras into yet another "gay gay gay he's gay gay!" subplot. You're robbing Loras of his biggest battle in the books, just for more walking gay billboard. Bravo with that character development.

-WHY IS TOMMEN RUNNING AROUND THE RED KEEP WITH NO GODDAMN KINGSGUARD, OR GUARDS OF ANY KIND. Do people realize the last King was fucking murdered?!

-The Sparrows just casually rejecting the King, threatening him, then shitting on him. Book High Sparrow ain't this stupid, and neither should the show counterpart. This whole scene was fucking stupid and made no sense. Sparrow smallfolk shits don't fucking reject then THREATEN the King of Westeros so blatantly like that and get away with it. And don't give me that "omg it shows how badass they are". No, it's just shit writing inconsistent with the setting.

-I haven't checked this yet and a wiki of ice and fire is down so can't be 100% certain, but did D&D invent house names? Wibberly? Wtf? Is it really that hard to just include the many, many mentioned houses of the series? Do you even care about the source material?

-Useless sex/tits scene, just so D&D can jerk each other off on how edgy they are. NOBODY CARES. Can get better tits on xtube and you're just wasting time. Especially since the entire fucking scene was fucking stupid. Mel trying to bang Jon into breaking his vows? wtf? Do D&D consider both of these characters such lowly retards? Not to mention D&D ONLY did this because the Melisandre actress is the only show bigwig who will show her tits anymore.

-Littlefinger just casually wandering around Winterfell, then King's Landing. Fucking kek. Did he just forget that he has the Vale to rule and tons of Vale Lords are still against him? Do D&D understand how these kind of political systems work? Apparently not, because once you explain something in the show it's instantly over and resolved forever.

[Offensive content removed]

-Removing Rhaegar defeating fucking Arthur Dayne, the BAMF Sword of the Morning, at the Harrenhal Tourney. Instead it's Barristan who D&D will soon shit on to boot. Why remove Dayne? Why remove his epicness? Is it because you plan to never mention him again and hope the audience forgets he ever existed? Fuck you, D&D

-Sansa having a fucking attachment and love for Littlefinger. WHY. IT MAKES NO SENSE. Is it because she's randomly "Darth Sansa" now so she arbitrarily likes other bad guys? Bravo D&D. This is like poetry, it rhymes.

-Littlefinger: "Stannis has a larger army". NO HE FUCKING DOESN'T. HE CAME TO THE NORTH WITH 1,500 MEN. Roose/Freys (I guess Freys don't exist anymore in the show!) have upwards of 5,000.

-Ramsay is falling in love with Sansa? Fucking fuck you D&D, whitewashing characters at every turn. Instead of the terrifying killer who starved his last wife to death for the lulz, he's falling in wuv. I bet Ramsay's other dear girlfriend will get jealous! Cringe.

-Dorne is white. The Spanish motif is fine, they're Mediterranean inspired. But I dunno where D&D got the idea they're Arabs. They even have fucking scimitars and turbans now. Is it so you can meet your precious diversity quota, D&D?

-Jaime and Bronn just randomly sneaking into Dorne like James Bond is stupid and nonsensical enough, but now they run around murdering Dornish soldiers out of fucking nowhere? What? How will this benefit any of your objectives? If it was self-defense why would the Dornish try to murder Jaime fucking Lannister? Do D&D not understand how Westerosi politics works? I dunno why I'm even asking that anymore.

-Not to mention in this stupid fight, Bronn just lets Jaime nearly die for the lelz. I mean does he realize that if Jaime dies under his care Bronn will lose everything? Apparently not, because Show Bronn is just full of quips and jokes but is otherwise devoid of anything.

-Sand Snakes in general are absolute shit. The actresses are shit, the characterization is shit (MAMA!), their antics are shit. Why would they kill their messenger who betrayed the Lannisters? Nobody else will want to betray the Lannisters for you anymore. Not to mention the Sand Snakes are all simplified down into brutal amazon women (COMPLETE WITH BREASTPLATE NIPPLES! The fact that D&D unironically do this is so telling and symbolic of the show by this point). Nym loses her cunning and charm, Tyene her amiability. They're all just clones of each other. And on top of that, Ellaria is reduced from the voice of reason in the books to just another psycho mass murdering maniac. Is all this because D&D think women can't control themselves themselves? sounds sexist to me! Somehow D&D took a lackluster book plot and made it far, far more stupid.

-Changing Barristan's Rhaegar story with Dany. It was so much more banal, cliche, and typical than what is revealed in the books. Gone is Barristan revealing the mystery of what Rhaegar read that made him decide to become a warrior, gone is the mysterious aloofness and seeming despair that plagued him. Instead he liked to be a fucking mummer who got drunk with knights. What a bro right D&D?! No, fuck you once more

-Hizdhar going from a shrewd ruthless schemer to just some whiny sycophant bitch. Even Dany openly mocks him. D&D seem desperate to introduce minority characters, while simultaneously character-assassinating actual book minority characters. Nonsensical

-The whole Sons of the Harpy fight thing. I'm just left speechless from the stupidity here. Be it the Sons of the Harpy (fucking pampered aristocracy and their thugs) being elite super rambo warriors who fight open battles instead of cloak and dagger book activities, be it Unsullied fighting like Mel Gibson in Braveheart without any kind of cohesion or discipline, or be it Barristan THE BOLD losing to these pieces of shit. It's all so stupid. And did D&D decide to punk Barristan because the actor is a bookfag critical of show deviations? I have no evidence to support this really, but keep in mind that D&D were petty enough to waste 6 minutes of last seasons finale into a tantrum against Orson Scott Card for criticizing the show.

I'll be back next week to explain why the show has sucked since season 2 and the books are better. Bring on the downvotes!

I completely agree with you but except the thing that the mace part actually happens in the books with meryn trant.

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Hey all! Back this week to tell you why this episode sucked:

-I like how Bronn just perfectly spells out why Jaime's Dorne adventure plot makes no goddamned sense. Just bring Bronn and 40 men indeed! It doesn't have to be Jaime. There's no reason for any of this to take place from a logical standpoint. D&D set up the counter argument but offer no debunking of it. How stupid do they think we are?

-Jaime threatening to kill Tyrion and flat-out hating him. The conflicting nature of Jaime in the books about this is gone. First the show makes him a rapist, now this. Are they determined to ruin Jaime's redemption arc?

-The whole Iron Bank Mace Tyrell deal. Holyyyyy shit, this is fucking stupid and makes no sense. Mace Tyrell is the Lord of Highgarden and the strongest man in Westeros at this point. Why is he doing this? Doesn't Mace have a war to be fighting? Have D&D forgotten that a war still needs to be fought? Why does he have to go when the job is clearly beneath him and he's too busy elsewhere? Why is Trant acting as his escort and not Highgarden men? He has no reason to obey Cersei and no reason to be doing this, especially since the Iron Bank itself sends envoys all over the world! Even book Mace isn't stupid enough to act like this. D&D took a dumb character and made him full-fledged retarded.

-Cersei being the one who proposes reestablishing the Faith Militant out of nowhere for absolutely no reason. She even put the goddamned idea into the High Sparrow's head! At least her agreeing to it in the books made sense as part of her trade with the High Sparrow. Here she gained NOTHING. Doing all this to arrest Loras made no sense when in the show the Sparrows were already arresting people for the crazy shit D&D thinks the Sparrows arrest people for. This is major dumbing down for Cersei, who the show usually whitewashes and flatters. Bizarre D&D antics.

-I've said it before now but it still needs to be said this week. D&D inserting their fucking 2015 fedora atheism bullshit into a medieval setting they clearly don't understand very well. The Sparrows, an army of war refugees that help the people, is now ISIS that goes around terrorizing smallfolk for no reason. They even run around beheading gay people, as if D&D think this is some brilliant Christianity parallel. The Sparrows are a refugee movement that of course in a medieval setting would be religious in nature, they're not terrorists and running around murdering gay people is in direct contradiction to their objectives. Fuck you D&D, simplifying a more complex situation.

-And arresting Loras instead of Margy. Fucking lol. I bet you think this is some brilliant political commentary, D&D. Omg evil Republicans Indiana pizzerias. Fuck off. So the High Sparrow is going to arbitrarily turn the whole realm upside down just to persecute Loras for no real reason, who ultimately is just a Knight of the Kingsguard? And what's the endgame? To annoy Margy? It won't change her status at all. Book Cersei framing Margy actually made goddamn sense because it removed the goddamn problem Cersei goddamn had and the charges brought before her seemed like something the High Sparrow might actually care about given that she's the queen! Not to mention this plot makes NO SENSE in the greater scheme of things. So Mace is just going to continue to let his son be terrorized while he acts as Cersei's messenger? In the books when Margy is arrested Mace drops everything he's doing and arrives in KL with an army. Because that is what the Lord of Highgarden would do. But D&D are as dumb as Mace, apparently.

-And one more thing, did you really just have to insert Loras into yet another "gay gay gay he's gay gay!" subplot. You're robbing Loras of his biggest battle in the books, just for more walking gay billboard. Bravo with that character development.

-WHY IS TOMMEN RUNNING AROUND THE RED KEEP WITH NO GODDAMN KINGSGUARD, OR GUARDS OF ANY KIND. Do people realize the last King was fucking murdered?!

-The Sparrows just casually rejecting the King, threatening him, then shitting on him. Book High Sparrow ain't this stupid, and neither should the show counterpart. This whole scene was fucking stupid and made no sense. Sparrow smallfolk shits don't fucking reject then THREATEN the King of Westeros so blatantly like that and get away with it. And don't give me that "omg it shows how badass they are". No, it's just shit writing inconsistent with the setting.

-I haven't checked this yet and a wiki of ice and fire is down so can't be 100% certain, but did D&D invent house names? Wibberly? Wtf? Is it really that hard to just include the many, many mentioned houses of the series? Do you even care about the source material?

-Useless sex/tits scene, just so D&D can jerk each other off on how edgy they are. NOBODY CARES. Can get better tits on xtube and you're just wasting time. Especially since the entire fucking scene was fucking stupid. Mel trying to bang Jon into breaking his vows? wtf? Do D&D consider both of these characters such lowly retards? Not to mention D&D ONLY did this because the Melisandre actress is the only show bigwig who will show her tits anymore.

-Littlefinger just casually wandering around Winterfell, then King's Landing. Fucking kek. Did he just forget that he has the Vale to rule and tons of Vale Lords are still against him? Do D&D understand how these kind of political systems work? Apparently not, because once you explain something in the show it's instantly over and resolved forever.

[Offensive content removed]

-Removing Rhaegar defeating fucking Arthur Dayne, the BAMF Sword of the Morning, at the Harrenhal Tourney. Instead it's Barristan who D&D will soon shit on to boot. Why remove Dayne? Why remove his epicness? Is it because you plan to never mention him again and hope the audience forgets he ever existed? Fuck you, D&D

-Sansa having a fucking attachment and love for Littlefinger. WHY. IT MAKES NO SENSE. Is it because she's randomly "Darth Sansa" now so she arbitrarily likes other bad guys? Bravo D&D. This is like poetry, it rhymes.

-Littlefinger: "Stannis has a larger army". NO HE FUCKING DOESN'T. HE CAME TO THE NORTH WITH 1,500 MEN. Roose/Freys (I guess Freys don't exist anymore in the show!) have upwards of 5,000.

-Ramsay is falling in love with Sansa? Fucking fuck you D&D, whitewashing characters at every turn. Instead of the terrifying killer who starved his last wife to death for the lulz, he's falling in wuv. I bet Ramsay's other dear girlfriend will get jealous! Cringe.

-Dorne is white. The Spanish motif is fine, they're Mediterranean inspired. But I dunno where D&D got the idea they're Arabs. They even have fucking scimitars and turbans now. Is it so you can meet your precious diversity quota, D&D?

-Jaime and Bronn just randomly sneaking into Dorne like James Bond is stupid and nonsensical enough, but now they run around murdering Dornish soldiers out of fucking nowhere? What? How will this benefit any of your objectives? If it was self-defense why would the Dornish try to murder Jaime fucking Lannister? Do D&D not understand how Westerosi politics works? I dunno why I'm even asking that anymore.

-Not to mention in this stupid fight, Bronn just lets Jaime nearly die for the lelz. I mean does he realize that if Jaime dies under his care Bronn will lose everything? Apparently not, because Show Bronn is just full of quips and jokes but is otherwise devoid of anything.

-Sand Snakes in general are absolute shit. The actresses are shit, the characterization is shit (MAMA!), their antics are shit. Why would they kill their messenger who betrayed the Lannisters? Nobody else will want to betray the Lannisters for you anymore. Not to mention the Sand Snakes are all simplified down into brutal amazon women (COMPLETE WITH BREASTPLATE NIPPLES! The fact that D&D unironically do this is so telling and symbolic of the show by this point). Nym loses her cunning and charm, Tyene her amiability. They're all just clones of each other. And on top of that, Ellaria is reduced from the voice of reason in the books to just another psycho mass murdering maniac. Is all this because D&D think women can't control themselves themselves? sounds sexist to me! Somehow D&D took a lackluster book plot and made it far, far more stupid.

-Changing Barristan's Rhaegar story with Dany. It was so much more banal, cliche, and typical than what is revealed in the books. Gone is Barristan revealing the mystery of what Rhaegar read that made him decide to become a warrior, gone is the mysterious aloofness and seeming despair that plagued him. Instead he liked to be a fucking mummer who got drunk with knights. What a bro right D&D?! No, fuck you once more

-Hizdhar going from a shrewd ruthless schemer to just some whiny sycophant bitch. Even Dany openly mocks him. D&D seem desperate to introduce minority characters, while simultaneously character-assassinating actual book minority characters. Nonsensical

-The whole Sons of the Harpy fight thing. I'm just left speechless from the stupidity here. Be it the Sons of the Harpy (fucking pampered aristocracy and their thugs) being elite super rambo warriors who fight open battles instead of cloak and dagger book activities, be it Unsullied fighting like Mel Gibson in Braveheart without any kind of cohesion or discipline, or be it Barristan THE BOLD losing to these pieces of shit. It's all so stupid. And did D&D decide to punk Barristan because the actor is a bookfag critical of show deviations? I have no evidence to support this really, but keep in mind that D&D were petty enough to waste 6 minutes of last seasons finale into a tantrum against Orson Scott Card for criticizing the show.

I'll be back next week to explain why the show has sucked since season 2 and the books are better. Bring on the downvotes!

I completely agree with you but except the thing that the mace part actually happens in the books with meryn trant.

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I completely agree with you but except the thing that the mace part actually happens in the books with meryn trant.

Where???

It's Whatshisface Swift who is sent off to Braavos by Cersei. Mace goes to besiege Storm's End and comes back like a lighting bolt once Marg is imprisoned. And Teryn fucking Mant is still just wasting air as a kingsguard-thug in KL.

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If I were Selmy, that's the ONLY thing I'd say to her before I croaked. In fact, that's the only thing I would have EVER told her.

Dany: Ser Barristan, I'm torn on what to do about Jorah.

Selmy: Fuck Jorah, go to Westeros.

--

Dany: Ser Barristan, what should I say to this freed slave who wants to be a slave again?

Selmy: Tell him that you don't give a crap because you are going to Westeros.

--

Dany: Ser Barristan, I'm not sure what dress I should wear...

Selmy: No one cares, just go to Westeros already.

I love this

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People who age out of their prime are oft in denial they have diminished capability...this is not a new concept.

Claiming he could cut them into pieces and actually doing it are different things padawon.

I see your point kohai. lol. I must say though, having a few decades experience in Kenjutsu, I have seen several old men with some pretty stunning swordsmanship. I do understand that his skill would diminish with age, but dont forget that even JL said there were maybe three men in the 7Ks that may stand a chance against him, one of those was assuredy Ser Barristan. My real point was that 5 or 6 dagger wielding assassins shouldnt have stood a swowballs chance in hell against him. I just wish that if they were going to kill off a charachter that has been built up over 5 seasons as such a legendar,y expert swordsman, they would have made his end a bit more legendary. Just my opinion, I do see your point though.

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Further thought:



- Another purpose for Mel's "seduction" of Jon may be to establish that she's willing to do things behind Stannis's back. But this could have been established much sooner, by rendering Stannis as much less culpable in Renly's murder. I know many people believe that Stannis was ignorant of Mel's plans in the books; myself, I think it's debatable whether or not he knew his brother would die, but he certainly doesn't seem to have known any details on her assassination plot. That would have been a far better choice for a time to set up Mel's covert tactics than a horribly written confrontation with Jon Snow.


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I thought Mel going to Jon was D&D's way of saying "Mel knows who Jon really is and that he descends from a king".


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She wants to have sex with him in the books too. I really was t surprised or bothered by it on the show.

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She wants to have sex with him in the books too. I really was t surprised or bothered by it on the show.

^This.

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Why do people think that Sansa has feelings for Littlefinger? Isn't it obvious that she is just playing the role of the lovestruck girl to survive?



I loved the inclusion of so much information about Rhaegar and Lyanna. When I read the books I completely missed the clues about the parentage of Jon Snow. It does appear to me that D&D are going to get more explicit about releasing this information on the show, probably by the end of this season.


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Why do people think that Sansa has feelings for Littlefinger? Isn't it obvious that she is just playing the role of the lovestruck girl to survive?

I loved the inclusion of so much information about Rhaegar and Lyanna. When I read the books I completely missed the clues about the parentage of Jon Snow. It does appear to me that D&D are going to get more explicit about releasing this information on the show, probably by the end of this season.

Why do people think that Sansa has feelings for Littlefinger? Isn't it obvious that she is just playing the role of the lovestruck girl to survive?

I loved the inclusion of so much information about Rhaegar and Lyanna. When I read the books I completely missed the clues about the parentage of Jon Snow. It does appear to me that D&D are going to get more explicit about releasing this information on the show, probably by the end of this season.

Question is how. The only person that is alive that would know would be Reed and he has not been cast. Bran through the powers he is gaining could see the past but he has been cut out of this season. And Mel is not exactly spot on in understanding visions.

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Question is how. The only person that is alive that would know would be Reed and he has not been cast. Bran through the powers he is gaining could see the past but he has been cut out of this season. And Mel is not exactly spot on in understanding visions.

I bet Mira Reed knows and she might reveal it next season to Bran.

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She wants to have sex with him in the books too. I really was t surprised or bothered by it on the show.

When do she want to have sex with him in the books? When do she sits naked in his lap in the books?

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When do she want to have sex with him in the books? When do she sits naked in his lap in the books?

“Your Wall is a queer place, but there is power here, if you will use it. Power in you, and in this beast. You resist it, and that is your mistake. Embrace it. Use it.”

I am not a wolf, he thought. “And how would I do that?”

“I can show you.” Melisandre draped one slender arm over Ghost, and the direwolf licked her face. “The Lord of Light in his wisdom made us male and female, two parts of a greater whole. In our joining there is power. Power to make life. Power to make light. Power to cast shadows.”

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“Your Wall is a queer place, but there is power here, if you will use it. Power in you, and in this beast. You resist it, and that is your mistake. Embrace it. Use it.”

I am not a wolf, he thought. “And how would I do that?”

“I can show you.” Melisandre draped one slender arm over Ghost, and the direwolf licked her face. “The Lord of Light in his wisdom made us male and female, two parts of a greater whole. In our joining there is power. Power to make life. Power to make light. Power to cast shadows.”

I am sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous to compare two scenes. There is some sexual tension between them in the books but it is very very far from what was shown in the show. From what you quoted from the books Jon can't even know that it is she who want to have sex with him or is she suggesting to him to have sex in general. In the books she is very subtle with her allusions and she never openly offers herself to him.

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I am sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous to compare two scenes. There is some sexual tension between them in the books but it is very very far from what was shown in the show. From what you quoted from the books Jon can't even know that it is she who want to have sex with him or is she suggesting to him to have sex in general. In the books she is very subtle with her allusions and she never openly offers herself to him.

Subtlety does not work in the show.

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Subtlety does not work in the show.

It definitely doesn't because D&D are absolutely unable to use anything that is subtle but more capable writers would make it work and it would be much better than what D&D did.

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Overall I enjoyed the episode but Barristan needed to go out like a bad-ass. That's what they tried to do, and they didn't pull it off.





Even now I could cut through the five of you like butter




Er I doubt it mate.Really interesting about the actor writing a letter of persuasion to D&D not to kill him off but apparently his death sets the rest of daenerys storyline in motion.

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