Lord Varys Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 While this is a great scene, does anybody else also get the feeling that book Stannis does not really view Shireen in this way? 1. Stannis is uncomfortable around women in general - not just Selyse, but every woman, hammered home in ADwD (his interactions with Asha and Alysane) - and this should thus also include Shireen. 2. Stannis never speaks kindly or affectionate of Shireen in the books, and never spends time with her. She isn't shut away as she is in the series, but there is also no Selyse hatred of Shireen in the books. In fact, Selyse's one redeeming quality is her love for her only child. She cares for her, raises her, and spends time with her, not Stannis. 3. Shireen is Stannis' Heir Presumptive in the books, but nothing suggests that he actually wants her to succeed him. It is custom/law that she succeeds him should Stannis die without a legitimate son, especially since there aren't any legitimate male Targaryen-Baratheon branches left - which would be why he proclaims her heir, but that doesn't mean he likes or loves her all that much.Rhaenyra was at Viserys' side from a very early on (five years) whereas Shireen is already elven years old in 300 AC and never spends one moment at Stannis' side as his heir, learning how to rule. He dumped her with Selyse at Eastwatch, after all. He shouldn't necessarily drag her to war but she should have been present at this council meetings on Dragonstone if she was to be his successor. Of course, Kerry Ingram's smart and nerdy Shireen is a much more interesting character than book Shireen who is essentially just a sad and depressed girl left to her own devices, but I don't think that this intimate moment the show gave us there - while being very touching - does really reflect the Stannis-Shireen relationship as it is presented in the books (which is either non-existant at all or as unimportant to George that he never cared to explore it). Any thoughts on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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