Sir Bronn Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 1.Thoughts of the characters - something ,you can't experience when you watch tv series .It is crucial when you read Tyrion or Jaime chapters ,but it is important to every character2.Theories - There are many theories ,which are not included or there is no evidence in the show3.Barristan storyline - im the books he defeated Mero with the stick ,conquered Yunkai ,defeated a few city watch guys unarmed,defeated Khrazz ,he has his POV chapters ,so he is one of the main characters.Tv show-no comments4.Belwas - epic character ,but why he isn't in the show?5.Arianne>Elaria -Arianne is an intresting character.Great storyline.Elaria- avenge Oberyn ,avenge Oberyn... boring and annoying6.The Hand's tournament - much more descrobed in the books7.Storyline -there are many storylines in the books ,many chapters ,which are concentrated on different characters ,we can see more of them8.Battle when Yoren dies-In the book there was a battle, in the show ,there was a little fight9.Team Aegon-Aegon ,Jon Connington and other great characters,very important .10.Beric Dondarrion- In the show he sold Gendry ,in the book he didn't.One of my favourite characters showed in negative way there .Something ,I hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharvot Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The books that any movie or TV series is based on are always better than the screen adaptation. The reasons are always the same: the author can better develop characters, scene setting, and portray inner monologues that simply don't translate well or easily to screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Also the fact that the show looks fake.Most of the time the setting looks ridiculous.Saw daenerys wear jeans once, don't believe me go look up the scene with the yunkai slaves being freed.Speaking of which the costumes look fake.The actors and actresses playing 12ish years olds look nothing like 12ish year olds.Hardly any background information on Gods and the history of westeros in general.Correct me if I'm wrong but only Bran has warged into his direwolf, that's a big blooper as their warging connection to their wolf's is big part of their character and story.Probably just me but I don't feel they stress just how valuable dragons are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 What GRRM is doing in ASoIaF is impossible to adapt to the TV. It is not just a limitation in relation to the scale of the medium, but by virtue of the presence of subtleties in the narrative that can only be properly exploited in a written narrative. Any adaptation of a literary work for TV or movies will always reflect the interpretation of the original work by those who are making the screen adaptation. In ASoIaF, how the reader interprets the information contained in the narrative is essential for the author's purposes. So, no wonder why many consider HBO's series mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustaf Stark Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I prefer the books because of the insight of all characters and all the additional information. With that being said, I am still a big fan of the show, it's the reason I read the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald blackfield Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The last episode is reason enough to hate the show. It is now on borderline legendary fucked up position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 11. Ironborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser RoddyRuinuous Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'll agree to your 10, and add a few more: 1. The Renly-Loras relationship was FAR more nuanced in the books, not simply reduced to gay shaving porn.2. Likewise, Stannis-Melisandre was not reduced to banging on a table.3. Sansa is more interesting in the books.4. So is Bran.5. Brienne is more relatable in the books. On the show, she's just a badass.6. The absence of Septon Meribald hurt worse than the absence of Tom Bombadil in the LOTR movies. That was a character whose voice needs to be heard.7. Cersei is not sympathetic in the books, she's psychotic. Those are just ones I can think of off the top of my head. I am boycotting season 5 so far, because I've read spoilers, and it seems they're doing to Martin's work something analogous to what Lucas did with his own in the Star Wars prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerBert Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Yeah, this season the show has veered off and fucked up with every change they have made. Not only from the drop in quality the changes caused but also the logistical sense that is a dead zero from now. Also, about the costumes, Jaime's this season is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharvot Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The last episode is reason enough to hate the show. It is now on borderline legendary fucked up position. I think the show is great. The books are fantastic too. It's absurd to want the show to follow exactly what the books lay out. I'm fine with the show deviating from the books. It keeps things unpredictable for me. As long as the main plot lines remain heading in the same direction as the books, I'm perfectly happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Scaletongue Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I don't need 10 description, description, description! description of placesdescriptions of peopledescriptions of thoughtsetc, etc, etc. I can't help but use Harry Potter as my go-to example of how books are always better than movies. I LOVED the movies, they did a great job adapting them - the biggest issue is watching the kids in the early movies vs the later movies (they got sooo much better at acting!). But the books were still better. It's great to see Hogwarts on the big screen, but having everything described in detail is so much better than a quick camera shot to show it to you. *before anyone starts ragging on the movies - they aren't perfect, I would have loved to see things they missed, but considering they were trying to fit big ass books into 2.5 hours, stuff has to get cut! Certainly cut less than D&D have had to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I also worry about the writers mental state if they consider that jaime/cersei scene consensual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanless Mace Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Most books are more detailed, nuanced, and introspective than their tv or movie versions. But why is it a contest? I love the books, but I can find fault with some plot lines and dialogue era. I love the TV series, though it certainly has its own warts. No need to pit them against each other. What works on the page is often too complex to show on the screen, and yet the way a good director and actor bring out emotion and reveal internal struggle is equally incomparable. No need to make it a battle between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnow4President Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Most books are more detailed, nuanced, and introspective than their tv or movie versions. But why is it a contest? I love the books, but I can find fault with some plot lines and dialogue era. I love the TV series, though it certainly has its own warts. No need to pit them against each other. What works on the page is often too complex to show on the screen, and yet the way a good director and actor bring out emotion and reveal internal struggle is equally incomparable. No need to make it a battle between the two. Especially for this series. I hadn't really appreciated how complex until I tried to explain to my mother some of the most basic relationships going on between characters. And that only involved 4 Starks, 1 Baratheon, 1 Arryn, 3 Tullies, a Snow, 2 Targaryens, and some Kingsguard. I give D&D props that I can elbow my friend about 30 minutes after telling him "there's a secret Targaryen" during the Lyanna kidnap reveal, and he's able to get why that makes so much sense. I just take it as a slightly different story, and I'm able to enjoy both. Take the superfandom away, and I promise, episodes 2, 3, and 4 of this season are enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makk Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Books are almost always better than screen adaptions for those that enjoy reading. I think the show has generally done a pretty decent job of adapting it and adding to the world. Every now and then though the plot does something unconvincing when dealing with character motivations. In the books everything seems organic and well reasoned, in the show the characters occasionally seem to act out of character or do things to simply advance the plot rather than an apparent reason. It's the main gripe I have with the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bronn Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Actually i'm the most pissed about Barristan.They made many unnecesary changes and many terrible changes.Elaroa instead of Arianme ,what they did with Barry was a terrible Crime ,Aegon?Belwas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerpp Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Also: No unnecessary Grrrl Powerrr pandering in the books. Brienne isn't Jason Bourne come again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
three-eyed monkey Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 3 big reasons for me. The writing, the writing, the writing. I gave up on the show. Mainly because of the writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkerStar Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I don't think the omission of the Martell kids would bother me so much if they hadn't already identified Trystane as the youngest on the show. Strong Belwas was my favorite book character so I miss him too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squab Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Show seems to be ahead of the books already, with Barristan at least (Battle of fire will be interesting if ever published). Sansa might be ahead too (although differently). I think ultimately the show will be what Game of Thrones is remembered for, due to its massive popularity and the reason some people have read the books. I am yet to see all of any of the seasons but i seem to be in the minority, same with having read all the books. I also see the TV show finishing at some point. Book purists might prefer the books and have many reasons why they are better (just like hipsters and typewriters), but the shows are more popular and accessible plus they have kept their commitments so far. e.g. No five year wait when told of one. 100 reasons would still not be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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