Tyrion4President Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 As soon as I saw the older man that Brienne and Pod met I automatically assumed it was Howland Reed. Brienne tells him she swore an oath to Cat and he immediately points out that fact that she is dead to which Brienne replies "that does not release me from an oath". Now if that really is Howland Reed the significance of that line would be parallel to his oath(Tower of Joy secret) he pledged Ned Stark. That scene could have very well been a setup for the great R + L = J reveal. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Storm Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Why would Howland Reed be pretending to be a servant in an inn next to Winterfell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Given he hasn't even been mentioned in the show... I don't see him being important in how the show reveal plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of Rhaegar Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmug Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 How could Howland Reed be that old man when he is the High Sparrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clawson24 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Seems like that's reaching quite a bit. Nothing about his appearance or behavior suggested it was Howland Reed in any way. I sincerely hope that the first time Howland Reed is seen in public in like 20 years isn't by Brienne and Pod at some random inn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion4President Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 Why would Howland Reed be pretending to be a servant in an inn next to Winterfell In a show/book with this many twists and turns are you really asking that question? Being that the show seems to be setting itself up for the big R+L=J reveal I would imagine it would be important to introduce the only known person with first hand knowledge of R+L=J. It isnt going to make any sense for anyone else but Howland Reed to be the one to make the reveal. How could Howland Reed be that old man when he is the High Sparrow? Explain how you came to this conclusion? First time I've heard that theory. Seems like that's reaching quite a bit. Nothing about his appearance or behavior suggested it was Howland Reed in any way. I sincerely hope that the first time Howland Reed is seen in public in like 20 years isn't by Brienne and Pod at some random inn. We really dont have any description of Howland Reed at all so I dont think we can write him off as totally not being Howland Reed. Besides if you know the story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree you'd know the mystery surrounding Howland Reed. What do you think the significance of that Brienne/Pod scene was? Looking at the dialog alone you can see that there was a reason D&D included this. He said he knew both Ned Stark and his father well and that is one thing Howland Reed can claim. After all that has happened around Winterfell I doubt there are many others still living who can claim that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Given he hasn't even been mentioned in the show... I don't see him being important in how the show reveal plays out. He was mentioned in S3 actually. He got quite a big mention from Jojen about being friends with Ned IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spanish_Inquisition Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 The show doesn't need Howland Reed to do the reveal. All they need is someone (anyone) to plant the seed in Jon's mind and he can take it from there. Could be Aemon, could be Stannis, could be Littlefinger, could be Sansa. Could be Sam, if he reads anything of import in the archives at the Wall and deduces anything from it. Heck, they could have the Night's King, during his speculated Hardhome appearance say something off the wall like let's spare this dude because I sense he's a Stark; no, not through your dad, it was (dun dun DUN) your mom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabellaVidal Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 D&D: Howland who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion4President Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 The show doesn't need Howland Reed to do the reveal. All they need is someone (anyone) to plant the seed in Jon's mind and he can take it from there. Could be Aemon, could be Stannis, could be Littlefinger, could be Sansa. Could be Sam, if he reads anything of import in the archives at the Wall and deduces anything from it. Heck, they could have the Night's King, during his speculated Hardhome appearance say something off the wall like let's spare this dude because I sense he's a Stark; no, not through your dad, it was (dun dun DUN) your mom! It cant be Aemon, Stannis Littlefinger or Sansa. For any of them to know they would have to find out from Howland Reed. He is the only living person that knows what happened because is also the only living person who was with Ned at the Tower of Joy. I doubt it will happen at Hardhome or even this season. Before anything we need the "for the watch" scene to take place but more than likely whenever the reveal occurs Jon wont be the first to know and I doubt it will happen at the wall. When Jon does find out the biggest question is "well, now what?". I doubt it will mean anything to Jon in terms of his purpose in life without support from others. It would make the most sense for someone else to find out, tell a few others who are with the cause and then rally around Jon convincing him of his true purpose in life. Otherwise the big reveal would do nothing to alter the course of what is happening other than Jon being able to die knowing who his mother is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spanish_Inquisition Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Well, it probably depends on what is meant by knowing "what happened". If we're talking strictly about the TOJ events and Lyanna's promise, then you're probably right, barring some kind of supernatural revelation. But as far as just putting a seed in Jon's mind that maybe his parentage isn't what he's been led to believe, it wouldn't take HR showing up. Stannis obviously suspects something isn't on the up-and-up, as does LF (and by extension Sansa, if he ever clues her in or she connects the dots herself). Aemon is a wild card, as we really have no idea whether he may have been in touch with Rhaegar. I think the show is specifically leading us down the path that someone other than HR is going to be the catalyst here. I agree that it's probably not going to have a huge effect on Jon's perception of himself regardless, which makes it even less important for HR to "confirm" it for him. His whole arc has been self-denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valetudo Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 As soon as I saw the older man that Brienne and Pod met I automatically assumed it was Howland Reed. Brienne tells him she swore an oath to Cat and he immediately points out that fact that she is dead to which Brienne replies "that does not release me from an oath". Now if that really is Howland Reed the significance of that line would be parallel to his oath(Tower of Joy secret) he pledged Ned Stark. That scene could have very well been a setup for the great R + L = J reveal. Thoughts? So, if you think the old man is Howland Reed, I would like to know who do you think the old woman in Winterfell is. LSH in disguise? Good Queen Alysanne reborn? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Storm Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 So, if you think the old man is Howland Reed, I would like to know who do you think the old woman in Winterfell is. LSH in disguise? Good Queen Alysanne reborn? :laugh:Ashara Dayne!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Pesci Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I'm doubting we will even see HR in the show. It seems that Stannis/LF are onto Jon's true parentage in some form or fashion, and there is always the chance that when we get back to BR/Bran next season, it could be shown to Bran by BR in his training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Given he hasn't even been mentioned in the show... I don't see him being important in how the show reveal plays out. Yes he has. Jojen and Meera and Bran talk about their father and Ned. Its kind of brief but Jojen's little speech about how when Ned died, it was the first (and only) time he saw Howland cry. It was a memorable and rather touching moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchosaurus Rex Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Seems like that's reaching quite a bit. Nothing about his appearance or behavior suggested it was Howland Reed in any way. I sincerely hope that the first time Howland Reed is seen in public in like 20 years isn't by Brienne and Pod at some random inn. Yeah, it's not Howland Reed. Although Westerosi taverns are apparently Rooms of Requirement, where everyone meets exactly whom they need to meet, so it's possible... No, not really. Definitely not Howland Reed. When/if Ding & Dong decide to include Howland Reed, I'm sure they'll set him up by cramming an episode full of mentions and then VOILA - he shall appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abandonship Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Would Howland Reed really be that old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralKyrd Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Why would Howland Reed be wearing a Frey earflap cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb1180 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Would Howland Reed really be that old?We don't know for sure, but given the ages of Meera and Jojen, I would tend to think that he's most likely in his 30s or 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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