Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 They kind of make Sansa too stupid in the show. In the books she was a young lady influenced by songs and tales. I don't know why she would go to Theon for help. I could understand if Theon told Sansa the truth about her little brothers, but Sansa still believes he killed them, and she thinks she can get Theon to do her dirty work by calling him "Theon Greyjoy" as if she believes there is great honor in that house. It just doesn't make sense to me. The scene with Bronn and the Sand Snake was lame imo. Was Stannis trying to make one of those black ghosts again, or did they actually show a horny Stannis again?...... Everything else was really good. I thought Aemon and the HIgh Sparrow were the best parts. The actor who plays the High Sparrow nails every scene. Theon is the only one she can turn to. It's a desperation move that didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 i don't agree he was in the old tower... i believe he went straight to ramsay in his chosen space to snitch..... This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpati Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) i don't agree he was in the old tower... i believe he went straight to ramsay in his chosen space to snitch..... This is what I thought as well. Where Ramsey was sitting didn't look like a tower at all. Edited May 25, 2015 by Shpati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashernate Reader Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) This is what I thought as well. Where Ramsey was sitting didn't look like a tower at all. Me three. Definitely not the broken tower. He stitched her right up. Edited May 25, 2015 by Pashernate Reader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nara Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I tried to quote a bunch of stuff, but it didn’t work for some reason, so sorry for some redundancies. • I thought this was an excellent episode for acting for all characters. I feel like some of the direction the actors get is “look completely expressionless”—this especially applies to Dany, Sansa, and Arya--and I think that has hurt the show. However, when they are allowed to show expressions, the results are great. The North • Very happy for the inclusion of “Egg, I dreamed I was old,” as well as the reminder that Maester Aemon was a Targ (for the non-book readers). They’ve left out a number of my favorite quotes, so happy to hear that one. RIP Maester Aemon.• Theon-Sansa interaction was fantastic. I hope Sansa soons finds out the true extent of Theon’s damage. I also enjoyed Sansa needling Ramsay about his bastard status, though I expected her to remind him of how valuable she is to him. • 2 mentions of Balon Greyjoy! Suggests that he and Yara will come back into the storyline and D&D are reminding the show-watchers about him.• Masterful misdirection in Theon climbing the stairs—only to go directly to Ramsay, rather than helping Sansa. I really thought he would try to help her and then be intercepted by Ramsay and tortured. Having him willingly give her up was more powerful.• Someone mentioned the idea that Brienne would be flayed. I wouldn’t mind seeing Ramsay try to hunt Brienne and having her kill his dogs and then go after him! The other women he hunted were relatively helpless—Brienne is not.• Stannis—Melisandre interaction: Part of me hopes Stannis will sacrifice Shireen because that would be a great OMG WTF moment that this season needs. On the other hand, if Stannis chooses to send Melisandre back to the Wall for her suggestion, then she will be available to help Jon after the assassination/attempt.• I actually didn’t have a problem with the attempted rape of Gilly. In fact, I’ve been wondering how she has managed to survive so long at the Wall without being attacked. Of course, if the attempt had been successful, I would probably not have been okay with it. It helped illustrate the danger to Sam and Gilly and gave us a reminder that the direwolves exist (since we won’t see Summer until next year and Nymeria is AWOL.) I only hope that they don’t make Sam abandon the Watch to leave with Gilly. I also thought the sex scene afterwards was okay. Gilly seems to be unfortunately used to abuse, and clearly values Sam’s life and safety above her own. Given the danger that they are in, I thought it made sense for her to have sex with him while they still could. In fact, I found myself chanting, “Fat pink mast!” the whole time. Meereen • I loved Jorah entering the fighting pits and the reveal to Dany. However, Dany’s reaction pissed me off. If, after losing Barristan, and being surrounded by people giving her conflicting advice, she isn’t at least a little happy at the return of Jorah, then she deserves the chaos that she is facing. Even though Jorah initially betrayed, her, she’s got to understand that he advised her well• I actually like Dany and Daario’s love scenes, perhaps because it’s one of the few places she doesn’t get the “act expressionless” direction. King’s Landing • Really excellent scenes IMHO, which may be related to the presence of several very experienced actors. This season, Jonathan Pryce is MVP among new characters, Lena Headey among the regulars. Diana Rigg, Natalie Dormer, and Aiden Gillen are also very experienced.• The scene with Cersei and Tommen reminded me so much of the scene in Season 1 between Cersei and Joffrey. I think that Tommen will start a war with the Faith and be killed by them in the process, allowing for Myrcella to claim the throne. Unlike others, I thought Cersei was quite sincere in her statement that she would d anything for her children. The tear down her face (when Tommen was not able to see) suggested that to me.• I assumed that LF’s gift of a handsome young man was Lancel. However, I don’t know how he would know anything about Lancel and Cersei’s affair or Lancel’s role in the murder of Robert. (Tyrion and Bronn seem the most likely – other than Lancel—to reveal the affair. Tyrion chose not to do so, but Bronn still might tell Jaime about it.) Also, as others have mentioned, if Lancel had previously confessed his sins, what could LF tell QoT that would cause the High Sparrow to act? Gendry doesn’t make a lot of sense either, since reveal Tommen as a bastard would not help Marg or Loras in any way. QoT wants revenge on Cersei, but she want the safety of her grandchildren first and foremost. I did wonder if LF could be keeping (f)Aegon somewhere, ready to be unleashed and wed to Marg, but I’m not sure that’s realistic.• Cersei being thrown into a cell was the PERFECT way to end the episode. Dorne • Myrcella is more whiny in the show than in the book, but I can live with that. I did like her statement to Jaime that he does not know her. Like others have said, I think he will tell her the truth (or at least contemplate it)• I was okay with the Tyene gratuitous nudity—which I normally don’t support. I thought it was good characterization to separate the Sand Snakes from each other. Obara is straightforward and blunt. Tyene is the seductress. Now, we need to see what Nym’s approach is. However, since she didn’t let Bronn die, it felt a little like the scene went nowhere. I do like the suggestion that they will play out the Arianne/Darkstar roles. Will wait to see where this heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grail King Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Gendry roed away from Dragonstone and likely went back to the bottoms in KL, LF would be the kind of guy to keep tabs on Robert's bastards, especially after most were killed in season one.Remember all, LF sent Ned to Tobho Motts shop so he find Gendry, so he knows who Gendry is,whether he has him or not ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nara Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Double post Edited May 25, 2015 by nara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Sooooooo I've been defending this shows nude scenes and sex scenes since the start, but I think I'm going to have to draw a line at borderline child pornography. That was fucking weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlp5y Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The way they had the High Septon talking about the Targaryens got me thinking he is a Targaryen Supporter. Possibly Howland Reed working to get Jon on the throne? That is deep!! My personal belief is that the series ends with Jon on the throne. It would be interesting if this is part of how that plays out. I was surprised when Mel left Castle Black with Stannis in the show, because I thought she would be the only way Jon survived the fight at the end of Book 5. Wasn't she also the one in the book who mentioned that Shireen's grayscale is not cured but just dormant? In any case, she talks to Stannis about needing royal blood and mentions Shireen. I'm so glad he kicked her out. But, shouldn't they at some point run into Asha/Yara Greyjoy and capture her? Balon calls himself King of the Iron Islands, so in a way she has royal blood... I don't know how I feel about Tyrion meeting Dany. I really liked having her fly off on Drogon. I'm not sure where that plot was going, since she ends up with the pale mare, but still. How do the dragons get freed if the Dornish prince isn't around? And who takes up Selmy's storyline, Grey Worm? Will Victarion show up at all? Cersei's storyline is going along nicely. I thought this was an amazing episode for her and the HS. I think you guys are right about the timing. She'll be in the cell next episode and then maybe the WOS in episode 9. I guess we'll meet her new, big protector in episode 9 or 10. Tommen is tougher here than in the book (age helps), but I don't think we'll see him die this season. I don't know if we'll see Kevan die in the last episode either. Maybe. But the witch that Cersei meets as a child did say that she would see all of her children die, so Tommen does have to die at some point. Maybe not till the end of the series, though... I'm pretty sure that Brienne is dead by this point in the books. Lady Stoneheart isn't in the show, so they have to either find another way to have her die or find a way to tie her into someone else's storyline. I vote for an interesting death. Arya's storyline is almost caught up to the book, so I bet we only get another scene out of her. Maybe two, tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpati Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 However, since she didn’t let Bronn die, it felt a little like the scene went nowhere. I do like the suggestion that they will play out the Arianne/Darkstar roles. Will wait to see where this heads. Right now, I think that Sand Snake will use Bronn like Arianne used Oakheart in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Sooooooo I've been defending this shows nude scenes and sex scenes since the start, but I think I'm going to have to draw a line at borderline child pornography. That was fucking weird. ???? Are you talking about Tyene? Cuz i didnt get no impression she was a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The problem with this, though, is that Sansa being pregnant with Harry's child could have some significance to the later plot. For argument's sake, if Jon became King he could legitimize her child, at which point that baby would be heir to the Vale, or lord if Harry and Robin are dead by then. There is absolutely no purpose to Sansa getting pregnant with a child by Ramsay Snow. The baby becomes heir to the Dreadfort...who cares? I might be making a lot of assumptions here, but IF Book Sansa marries Harry, is impregnated by him, is widowed, and Book Sweetrobin survives, she'll be in the same situation as TV Sansa: carrying a politically worthless child. At the risk of reading too much into the show, the fact that TV Sweetrobin is alive and well off screen with no poisoning plot in the offing suggests that Book Sweetrobin might not die. If Book Sweetrobin lives, then Sansa's child is the heir to nothing. In the show, Sansa would be in a similar pickle if impregnated by Ramsay. If the other Boltons are wiped out, and the northerners are determined to ensure that no Bolton survives, Sansa's going to be carrying a child who will be the heir to precisely nothing, and Sansa will have no interest whatsoever in claiming anything on the Boltons' behalf for her child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpati Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Theon is the only one she can turn to. It's a desperation move that didn't work. But why would she? Imo, she's been through enough that she must realize she has to get out of her pickle alone. She won't receive much help, especially from the likes of Theon. Me three. Definitely not the broken tower. He stitched her right up. And if it was the broken tower, Ramsey would've taken another finger/toe or something for Reek betraying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Fucking Lannister Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Anyone understands what are they trying to do with Brienne's storyline? seems really pointless to me unless somehow the Brotherhood shows up with LS, which is unlikely to happen. I feel like D&D have lost a good amount of time screen all through this season showing untrascendental arcs that are not that important to the whole story. Where was the point in showing 5 seconds of her this episode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpati Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) ???? Are you talking about Tyene? Cuz i didnt get no impression she was a child. I don't think she is a child. Her IMDB page might be misleading because it has an old picture of her and no age. But Google says she's 19. I don't think HBO go that far now... Edited May 25, 2015 by Shpati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 ???? Are you talking about Tyene? Cuz i didnt get no impression she was a child. ....okay then. She was 18 at the start of shooting. Bronn mentions several times SHES NOT A WOMAN. But hey, maybe I'm the weirdo for not liking little girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySoftheart Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 jlp5y, I'm genuinely not being snarky or anything but you have read Dance right? Because Brienne isn't dead - she's come for Jaime and he leaves Pennytree with her. (Unless you subscribe to the theory that Lady Stoneheart turned her into a zombie or something but I'm going with the Occam's Razor explanation that Brienne agreed to bring Jaime to LS so the BwB doesn't kill Pod (and Hyle Hunt, I guess.) so Brienne is very much alive at this juncture in the books. I have a feeling Brienne's non-involvement with Sansa at the moment may have more to do with Gwendoline Christie being in Star Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spilt Pea Soup Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Rape is only ever necessary to the plot of a story about rape. In this history of the human species, it is arguably possible that rape comprises the majority of acts of heterosexual copulation. At least a sizable chunk. I think one of the great ways GRRM's books are progressive is by showing the hideous nature of human history, warts and all. That not only includes rape, it puts it front and center. Sorry, but if we can have 3 trial-by-combats in 5 seasons, I think 5 rapes in the same amount of time is perfectly reasonable. Rape was EXTREMELY common up until a few hundred years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bravosi42 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I believe Littlefinger's gift will somehow clear Loras and/or Margaery. Nothing else matter's right now to Olenna.olyvar is going to meet an untimely end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 But why would she? Imo, she's been through enough that she must realize she has to get out of her pickle alone. She won't receive much help, especially from the likes of Theon. And if it was the broken tower, Ramsey would've taken another finger/toe or something for Reek betraying him. Ramsay pretty much told him to never keep secrets and reek/theon is very damage. who knows if he will never be theon again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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