Alboin Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Jonathan Pryce is priceless. Sorry, couldn't hold myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ser Quork Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Eh, now we book readers can be relegated back to the dorks we always were. There is a reason why epic fantasy was consumed by few, (relatively speaking). The casual fan, in most cases, can't be bothered by details like; fleshing out characters, or reading page upon page of set up for a plot twist, and yes, I admit, page upon page of feasts described in intimate detail! Yep, uppity book reader here, but really, while I am surprised by the way the show writer/producers have brought major details to the fore, I can't say that their style no matter which style they chose would have been unexpected. They saw a way to take an intricate story, chop it up, and make money. Martin made his choice to take the money. As an aforementioned dork, I hope Martin ends the story with his vision, not one clouded by.....sorry to say it, the soap opera version of A Song of Ice and Fire/ Good post, and I hope the same as you. [snip]-Theon is an awful Reek in this show. He knows he's Theon and just says Reek to not piss Ramsay off. He's not the insane wretch who literally thinks he's Reek and Theon is a separate person. And no, the changes he goes through in the books don't count because at this ep proved he's still at the point he's still loyal to Ramsay. Can we also talk about how shitty the Sansa-Theon dynamic is? Sansa just towers over Theon and orders him around and shakes him angrily. The mutual heartbreak, their bonding in misery, and the general atmosphere of tragedy that loomed over Theon and Jeyne in the books is gone. This feels so hollow as a replacement. I agree. We know Sansa's arc has been trashed by this, but so has Theon's. Yes, the washerwomen worked on him to help Jeyne but he did not snitch on them to Ramsay even though he thought it was one of Ramsay's tricks. We had the gradual glimpses of his desire to be Theon again, even if it's just to die with a sword in his hand, especially through the godswood scene. I don't know what the TV show is going for, but I doubt it will be anything as profound as the masterful writing of Theon's arc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Porne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Hey all! I'm once again here this week to tell you why this episode was again crap, rated PG-13 for mods! -Dorne is still 1 small city in the intro. Did D&D really go this many episodes without a map?-Thorne is first ranger despite never having been a ranger. BRAVO, D&D. I think they just apply ranks to named characters they actually know about without any thought to it.-Theon is an awful Reek in this show. He knows he's Theon and just says Reek to not piss Ramsay off. He's not the insane wretch who literally thinks he's Reek and Theon is a separate person. And no, the changes he goes through in the books don't count because at this ep proved he's still at the point he's still loyal to Ramsay. Can we also talk about how shitty the Sansa-Theon dynamic is? Sansa just towers over Theon and orders him around and shakes him angrily. The mutual heartbreak, their bonding in misery, and the general atmosphere of tragedy that loomed over Theon and Jeyne in the books is gone. This feels so hollow as a replacement.-Aemon just sort of dies after 5 minutes with no explanation. How underwhelming . We weren't even aware he was dying last episode. D&D treated this like something they forgot about then suddenly had to go through the motions about. And what he was even wrong with him anyway? WHO KNOWS! Plotitis. Do they really think including a fan-favorite quote would change how bad this was?-Sam's arc has been completely ruined with this banal garbage. First they take away his journey to Oldtown, now they take away all the friends and respect hes made. Sam the Slayer is cool in the books because it's actually a title, not mockery. -AND HE INSTANTLY KNOWS JON IS LORD COMMANDER TOO! D&D must have put skype in Westeros or something by this point because news travels that fast. Their world is so much smaller, and that ruins so much of it.-Davos story is complete garbage still. Instead of being with based Manderly and going off to fight unicorns in Skagos we get him just throwing away lines to Stannis just so the actor can pay the bills. Why did D&D see fit to reduce Davos to zero importance while introducing such plot-vital characters as Missandei, Grey Worm, and Olly?-THEY MENTION THE STORMCROWS. Okay, thinking about this gave me a headache. So they put Daario in charge of the Second Sons a few seasons back despite them being the Stormcrows and there being no Brown Ben Plumm. Yet now they mention the Stormcrows, who are in Westeros for some goddamn reason. What is the point of any of these changes? Do D&D think if they change enough shit people will think this story is theirs and not Gurm's? Well who would even WANT "this" train-wreck of a story to be theirs anyway?-Stannis is just randomly horny in this scene and tries to hump Melisandre out of nowhere. WTF was up with this scene? Do they not understand's Stannis' character? Would he really just bang in the middle of a war council? After leaving him alone this season, D&D are back to character-assassinating Stannis.-This Gilly rape thing. LEL. What is it with D&D and rape? Do they think it makes the series mature? Do they think a rape scene automatically makes everything uber-sophisticated? What hacks. They cut out Sam's Oldtown arc, Marwyn, Braavos, Salleras, and the Grand Maester Conspiracy for ANOTHER RAPE SCENE.-Jon went to Hardholm apparently without Ghost. WHY. There was literally no explanation. On top of it being goddamn nonsensical for Jon to go in the first place, they put this icing on the cake.-Now in their infinite wisdom, D&D seek to waste 5 minutes on another awkward sex scene. Reminder that this trite is what we're getting instead of glass candles, the Old Man of Oldtown, and Maester lore.-WHERE IS THIS SLAVE AUCTION. So they got captured outside the Smoking Sea, yet now are seemingly right outside Meereen. Did they literally walk 1,000 miles or so? Wtf is going on?-Tyrion's ADWD arc is again reduced from a descent into insanity with redemption via purity into LEL COMEDY XD! LOOK HE BEATS UP THE WHIP GUY XD! What garbage. At least Tyrion being mummer made sense in the books because he was with a dwarf who was ACTUALLY A MUMMER and they could perform. This excuse in the show for him to go with Jorah...I can't get my head around it? They think he's a good fighter? Nobody could, he's a dwarf and just stomped on that guy a bit. Why would a slaver waste gold and make him a pit fighter? Wtf is going on? Why is nobody in this show never making any sense? -Olenna just strolls around inside ISIS (aka Show-Sparrows) HQ with no guards. Cersei does this later as well, and it's fucking stupid in the show. In the books not being guarded around them is passable because the High Sparrow is a legit priest and the Sparrows aren't insane gay-murderers...But holy crap in the show it makes NO SENSE. Everyone calls them fanatics in the show, but D&D just treat interactions with them like they're the book Sparrows. BRAVO.-Where exactly in The Seven Pointed Star or The Faith does it say that being gay is this huge deal, to the point the High Septon would directly intervene in it? WHERE? Because it's never there in the books, gay is a taboo but not the be-all end-all. It wasn't even this bad in the IRL Middle Ages, people looked the other way. D&D trying to insert this contemporary fedora atheism gay rights stuff into the story is just ruining the mythology of the world.-Olenna just points out the absurdity of these show trials. I like how D&D seem to constantly have characters yell about how none of this makes any sense, and someone else just shrugs it away like we're supposed to accept that as an excuse. This is some self-aware stupidity. -Tommen just sits there with his mouth open and moans. He screams about how he can't do anything when he just sat there when Margy got arrested anyway. Why not just make this shit 8 years old again? Why did D&D bother aging him up again? So he could have a LEL XD sex scene with Margy? Because that literally is the only thing they've done with him that they couldn't do with book Tommen.-I love this nonsensical show excuse for why Tommen can't meet with the High Sparrow. "Oh you shouldn't unsully yourself as King to meet with this fanatic". HE'S THE HIGH SEPTON, THE HIGH SEPTON IS A REGULAR FACE AT SMALL COUNCIL MEETINGS. WHY DO YOU FORGET STUFF YOU PUT IN THE PREVIOUS EPISODES D&D. D&D sometimes rarely encounter their logical inconsistencies and actually try to make an excuse for them, but these excuses NEVER make any sense.-So Jaime just ran into the residence of the Martells and they put him in a nice hotel room. Then they address his concern and show him Mycrella? Wtf is the point of this? Lordly courtesy? Plot convenience? It makes no sense given he just led an armed raid into the Watergardens and pulled a sword on Doran's heir. On top of that given that the Martells are THIS cooperative with the Lannisters that they look the other way when they attack them, why was it necessary for Jaime to even go here instead of just send a Raven and ask them to give Mycrella back?-THE CRINGE SNAKES RETURN. LEL CLAPPING EYE ROLLS AT BRONN XDDDDD! Freak you D&D, you know there's actually subtle legit non-cringe humor in the books because the writer isn't a complete hack? TRUE FACTS. Now, there's just so much wrong with this scene. First Tyene gets naked because D&D have to meet the boob quota again or something, why is she doing this? To say she's hot? Why does she want to prove this to a Lannister stooge? Do D&D know the Sand Snakes aren't like this in the books and they actually have class? Then somehow Tyene is able to calculate her boob flashing with the EXACT moment that this poison would start to take affect, so she can then give him the antidote? WHY?! WHY GIVE HIM THE ANTIDOTE?! HE JUST TRIED TO KILL YOU AND YOU WERE SHOWN AS PSYCHO MURDERERS IN PREVIOUS EPS. Why would you kill a messenger but spare someone who attacked you? WHY FLASH HIM. WHY DO ANY OF THIS? Are D&D just looking to give them something to do and think that showing some nudity makes the show mature?-Can someone tell me what the fudge Littlefinger is doing running around in KL? He has a Vale to run and just gave up Sansa for no reason at all now he's just wandering aimlessly around KL. -They called this slaver with Jorah and Tyrion Yezzan. So long grandiose yellow whale, so long any uniqueness and personality to this arc. Hello cliched slaver #1352352. And on top of that the Wise Masters trip all over themselves to desperately please Dany. Seeing her face real enemies who treated her like garbage was actually interesting, not more sycophant crap with Dany, which we see all the time.-D&D have another apparently logical inconsistency going. So these fighting pits were supposed to be for only free men now who do it according to their own will. Yet Jorah and Tyrion were captured and are being forced into this as slaves. So wtf is going on? You could claim "well they lied and are having slaves pitfight but it's said in the show how many of the pit fighters want to fight and how high an honor it is so why use slaves? It made sense in the books for Tyrion and Penny to be a slave at least because they were brought in from Yunkai which didn't agree to any of this stuff, but in the show they completely surrendered.WHY DO D&D FORGET THEIR OWN PLOT.-Jorah just waltzes through the slave fighter gate into the pit. WHY WAS IT UNLOCKED. WHY WOULD YOU UNLOCK YOUR SLAVE DOOR (and as we established, these people are slaves apparently).-WHAT IS JORAH HOPING TO DO BY KILLING ALL THESE GUYS THEN REVEALING HIMSELF. Jorah is desperate in the books but at least he doesn't do completely nonsensical things. Why didn't he just free Tyrion then rush out with him as a gift? Why do this fighting crap? Does he think it'll impress her? He knows Dany well enough to know it won't. D&D just put this in here so we could see how "badass" Jorah is. SCREW LOGIC.-Show Margy is so boring. There's an enigma too her in the books where you don't really know where she stands and if she's just faking the politeness or what. Here she just screams that people are mean names and throws crap at them. -So D&D have an ancient chapel so old people dunno who built it in KL. Do D&D realize KL is a new city? Do they have understanding of this world they have so utterly ruined?-How much do you wanna bet Cersei is gonna be charged with some banal crap like "you had sex with your brother" and not regicide, producing an illegitimate king, and killing the High Septon? HOW MUCH YOU WANNA BET. That's all for now folks. I'll be back next week. Weekly reminder that the show has been garbage since season 2 and the books are better.LOL, I live for these posts after each episode. Thanks, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grufolo Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 ISIS finally arrested...Ghhahahahaha this is brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Why would Olenna and Marg want Tommen to be a bastard? If he is a bastard then she is not the queen and even a baby in her belly is not a king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram McDrogon Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 apparently the poison only takes effect when you get an erection. When watching, I had a brief moment of thinking "Oh, clever! The poison only takes effect when someone's aroused! So that's why she's suddenly acting all seductive out of nowhere and for absolutely no reason!" But then, no, that's not where they were going - unfortunately. I think my own version of the story would have made a lot more sense than Bronn's poisoning suddenly coming on like that. That may be one of those scenes where I'll add a little head-canon addition so it all holds together better. A poison that takes effect when someone's turned on must have been done at some point, but I can't recall any examples. The only thing remotely similar I can think of is that Stratham (sp?) film where he dies if his pulse drops below a certain rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odon Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Well the blood rushes from his head to 'extremities', combined with the effect of the poison, cue dizziness. What annoyed me is that they cut the best bits from Sam's funeral speech. "He was a good man...no, he was a great man." "He could have been a king, but they asked him to give the crown to his brother. How many other men would do that?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cassius Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Lol Daario is so Euron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born amidst snow and corn Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 i think it's official that there would be no "for the watch" scene. and if jon would get stabbed he won't stand much of a chance without ghost or mel around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giggagotz Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Average episode. My thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugly Little Girl Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The best part of these episode discussion threads is all the people with absolute knowledge of what's to come in the unpublished books who can therefore whine with confidence about how D&Ds plot lines don't make sense. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Emperor of Yi Ti Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Eh, now we book readers can be relegated back to the dorks we always were. There is a reason why epic fantasy was consumed by few, (relatively speaking). The casual fan, in most cases, can't be bothered by details like; fleshing out characters, or reading page upon page of set up for a plot twist, and yes, I admit, page upon page of feasts described in intimate detail! Yep, uppity book reader here, but really, while I am surprised by the way the show writer/producers have brought major details to the fore, I can't say that their style no matter which style they chose would have been unexpected. They saw a way to take an intricate story, chop it up, and make money. Martin made his choice to take the money. As an aforementioned dork, I hope Martin ends the story with his vision, not one clouded by.....sorry to say it, the soap opera version of A Song of Ice and Fire/ Well you should know one way or the other in about 15 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfly Fever Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Very sad about Brienne's storyline the last couple of episodes - waiting for the light of a teensy tiny candle viewed from hundreds of meters away in an open window in a blustering and icy gale - yep, that's really making Brienne look like a big lump of blonde (or perhaps its the scriptwriters whose logic has failed them)!! She knows how fast things can turn south - no pun intended - for an unprotected female in this society. Like Brienne would sit around and shoot the polystyrene snow-breeze with Pod while Sansa gets brutalised repeatedly. I so love the books and the show, but it seems that without the carefully considered and strong story and script foundation the books provide, the scriptwriters are sadly not able to make it zing like GRRiM. That means that next season will be a mishmash too with Winds of Winter having come out by then, but some storylines being developed outside the books' arcs. I totally understand the limitations and the pressure the show is under to produce and they have done a pretty great job so far, but the concocted storylines are not up to snuff at the moment. A bit like True Blood going south when they strayed too far from the original book series. Let's not even talk about the ridiculous scenes in Dorne. In response to a number of comments on this topic about Bronn's exciting jail bait, I'm assuming that an increase in heart rate and blood pressure during sexual arousal increases or highlights the effect of the poison (I don't think it's about having an erection per say - a good jog would probably have done the same thing and she could have gotten him to prove he was tough by doing push ups and achieved the same effect!!). More importantly, it's about how the nudity increases or highlights the effects on ratings. Oh, and if that pair was pre-plastic surgery/medieval natural, I'll eat my bra! The showrunners did make a comment recently in an interview that it was hard to ask actresses whether their body was "natural" or not when casting for the roles - perhaps they didn't in Tyene's case and they were pre-empting their problem. Mind you, I can't imagine Brazilians were common in medieval times either, yet they seem to be very popular in LF's "establishments". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiery Heart Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The best part of these episode discussion threads is all the people with absolute knowledge of what's to come in the unpublished books who can therefore whine with confidence about how D&Ds plot lines don't make sense. :lol: :cheers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Fun fact: Tyene's actress, Rosabell Laurenti Sellers, was only 18 when they shot her topless scene.I'm not complaining, though she doesn't pass my 1/2 age + seven rule.Fun fact: An 18 year old woman, in most countries, can join the military and die. Buy alcohol. Become a porn star. A stripper. A professional athlete or actor. Seriously....grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoneofYourBiz Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Pondering what the Forbes article posted earlier suggested...that Trystane = Aegon and the reveal will be that Dorne has been hiding him all along. Could this work on the show? If so, did Doran hide that information from Oberyn or did he know? Something has to save the Dorne storyline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoneofYourBiz Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) dreaded double post Edited May 25, 2015 by DebL66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndance Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Fun fact: An 18 year old woman, in most countries, can join the military and die. Buy alcohol. Become a porn star. A stripper. A professional athlete or actor. Seriously....grow up.Seriously....shut up. It was a joke. People are so fucking sensitive anymore. Constantly looking to rip people for saying the slightest hint of something that could be considered 'insensitive'. Give it a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Seriously....shut up. It was a joke. People are so fucking sensitive anymore. Constantly looking to rip people for saying the slightest hint of something that could be considered 'insensitive'. Give it a rest.Considering there have been numerous posts expressing shock, in this thread about an 18 year old adult, being nude....I doubt it was a joke. They are the one's being sensitive and speaking as if they know what is best, for a woman capable of making her own decisions. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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