Pigeon Pie Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 So... in the trailer Mel is turning from a fire with shock on her face. Is it possible she witnesses the battle of Hardhome, especially Jon's role (killing the WW, being stared down by the night's king, the fact that while the wights were murdering all around, the WWs seemed focused on Jon alone. the first white walker to join the battle came for Jon, and later they all seem to look at him, not to mention the king) and realizes who her Azor Ahai Reborn is and goes back to the wall where she'll resurrect Jon? If so, what would be Shireen's role in all of this? Will she, Shireen and Selyse be sent back to the wall on Stannis' orders, where Mel will burn Shireen to resurrect Jon? What a hit this will be to Selyse, her only daughter burned to resurrect "The bastard of some tavern slut"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogonthedread Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 we also have another shot of Mel holding a lamp and looking at the burning tents .. so she may have seen that they are going to be attacked and hence shock on her face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmure's Floppy Fish Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I think FTW happens this episode and she sees it happening in the flames and heads to castle black with her sacrifice, Shireen. Then in episode 10 we get Jon's pyre, "and now his watch has ended", followed by his eyes opening in the final shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiery Heart Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Wonder if it is Melisandre seeing "FTW" in the flames... Either that or it's the attack... Perhaps one of the infiltrators has just walked into her tent... I'm excited to find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Onion Knight Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Plot Twist: Shes the one that starts the fires. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midi Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Wonder if it is Melisandre seeing "FTW" in the flames... Either that or it's the attack... Perhaps one of the infiltrators has just walked into her tent... I'm excited to find out! It doesn't look like that at all to me. Looks like she saw something really shocking in the flames and is just looking back for dramatic effect (maybe at Selyse or whoever else is in the tent). FTW is possible. Hardhome too. Or Stannis' defeat at Winterfell. Her own death maybe? Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I hope people realize she is a fraud, human burning bitch who cannot do anything to control the tents on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 "Daggers in the dark" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pie Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 I hope people realize she is a fraud, human burning bitch who cannot do anything to control the tents on fire. I don't know what she can do to the tents on fire (we haven't seen her capability to put out fire yes) but I don't think she's completely a fraud. Her "Lord of Light" is probably not really a god, as fire is sort of one of the "poles" of the magic of the world of ASOIAF (the other being ice), some people wanted to manifest it into a god to worship. But she isn't entirely powerless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I think it's something in the flames that makes her freak out. Not really attack, but I could be wrong. Battle of Hardhome and how Jon killed WW, FTW, her Azor Ahai is in danger'(Stannis or Jon, maybe both). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerDoublePost Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 plot twist: she foresees that jon is AA and FTW. Later Ramsay attacks, Mel uses this to kidnap Shireen and head to the wall, while Stannis thinks Ramsay has his daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Maybe the only word Melisandre will say looking through the flames is Snow before looking shocked and abandoning Stannis, running to the Wall in the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Above Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I hope people realize she is a fraud, human burning bitch who cannot do anything to control the tents on fire. Would be the dumbest plot twist ever and a massive waste of time if Mel didn't have any true power. Same goes for the 'Jon actually dies' and 'Dany never reaches Westeros' theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jet199 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 She has some power just a lot less than she claims. In the show we have seen her both making shadow babies and telling Selyse she uses potions and powders to create effects. I still really don't get why people think Mel will suddenly decide Jon is AAR. In both the books and the show Mel has said why she thinks Stannis is AAR, because she had seen that he will lead an army against the forces to darkness. Mel's idea of AAR is of a warrior king leading an army, she ain't going to think Jon is AAR without a complete personality change on her part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 There are too many possibilities, but there is only one that I can possibly think of that would fit into the HBO version. My guess is that Mel sees two visions in one. Stannis' army seems to be in a dire position, and most likely she prays to R'hllor. Instead of seeing Stannis as AA, she may she Snow, but in the same time or shortly after she sees "daggers in the dark". In the books I get that she is perplexed, but in the brief clip she looks shocked and almost afraid. I wonder if she sees a combination of the two and fears for Jon's life? We will find out soon enough, but that could be it. She has some power just a lot less than she claims. In the show we have seen her both making shadow babies and telling Selyse she uses potions and powders to create effects.I still really don't get why people think Mel will suddenly decide Jon is AAR. In both the books and the show Mel has said why she thinks Stannis is AAR, because she had seen that he will lead an army against the forces to darkness. Mel's idea of AAR is of a warrior king leading an army, she ain't going to think Jon is AAR without a complete personality change on her part.I guess it depends on what thread you adhere to. If the show people take bits from WoW for the FTW scene, they may also speed up Mel's understanding of Jon. If that is the case and you believe her to have a role in Jon's arc, then she may flee Stannis' camp for CB. It seems to me that a lot hinges on the FTW scene and how D&D ultimately plan to play it out. Will they add more from WoW, will they change the nature of it to avoid an off-season debacle, will they need Mel at CB for part of the scene? But something tells me that they would not have her ride all the way to Winterfell and have her return. On that note. If she is heading to Winterfell, it could be possible that D&D are using Mel as the agent of Jon's parentage reveal? Perhaps she sees in her fires something about that and the crypts of Winterfell? Could it be that as she draws closer to Winterfell, R'hllor opens a few secrets to her? Listen this is just pure guess work, but other than a few people, the gods (if Martin actually has them exist) would know of the Tower of Joy, etc....SO.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Survivor92 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 How is Jon not a warrior king leading an army? (especially in the show) It doesn't sound like Mel would need a personality change to decide that Jon is AAR. Jon is the Lord Commander of the faction that defends the realm of men against the forces of darkness, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antee991166 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Only problem with this theory, is why did D&D feel the need to send her away from The Wall in the first place? If she is just going to go back there and resurrect Snow, then why wouldn't they have just kept her at The Wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Well, it all depends on what she does before she eventually returns to Castle Black. I personally think the events in Stannis camp will at least amount to 15 minutes of screentime in the episode. That leaves plenty time for a scene at the beginning where Mel does something plot-wise decisive for Stannis, and give some time as well to set up her return. All in all, I'm expectint plenty Melisandre scenes this episode ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehearted Snake Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Only problem with this theory, is why did D&D feel the need to send her away from The Wall in the first place? If she is just going to go back there and resurrect Snow, then why wouldn't they have just kept her at The Wall? So she could threaten Shireen...? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Only problem with this theory, is why did D&D feel the need to send her away from The Wall in the first place? If she is just going to go back there and resurrect Snow, then why wouldn't they have just kept her at The Wall? To make things more shocking? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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