How much of an Internet firestorm will Cersei's scene cause? (Book Spoilers)

[Pies are coming]

So, after the ending of episode 6 and the Internet shitstorm it caused, how much do you think the Internet will erupt to throw Cersei's Walk of Shame into this season's portrayals of sexual abuse of women?

Book readers know this is coming, unsullied don't.

Serious question, not trolling here.

[Everett Snow]

There will definitely be some complaints branding it as more violence against women, but given than a lot of viewers were pleased to see Cersei slurp the water off her cell floor, I expect we'll hear quite a few "she got what she deserved" types of reactions.

Sansa's been suffering for her mistakes since season 1 and she was always easy to sympathize with. Cersei doesn't have the same sort of following. So there will be backlash, but not to the level of Ep 6.

[robasp2]

There will definitely be some complaints branding it as more violence against women, but given than a lot of viewers were pleased to see Cersei slurp the water off her cell floor, I expect we'll hear quite a few "she got what she deserved" types of reactions.

Sansa's been suffering for her mistakes since season 1 and she was always easy to sympathize with. Cersei doesn't have the same sort of following. So there will be backlash, but not to the level of Ep 6.

:agree:

Though many will curse D&D for their "portrayal of women" , a mojority of them fuckin hate her.

[Zombies That Were Promised]

Um. Close to none?

The outrage over episode 6 was the boiling point of the entire adaptation choice of having Sansa in Winterfell, not just because she was raped. But because it didn't happen in the books..

[Túrin the Turambar]

So, after the ending of episode 6 and the Internet shitstorm it caused, how much do you think the Internet will erupt to throw Cersei's Walk of Shame into this season's portrayals of sexual abuse of women?

Book readers know this is coming, unsullied don't.

Serious question, not trolling here.

I think D&D foresaw this and to avoid a greater shitstorm they included the WoS of the old High Septon in one of the first episodes as a kind of a shield, to say: "hey guys, also a male had to do that - it's nothing against women in particular"

[Lord Freypie]

Considering all the efforts they made to make Cersei (Carol) relatable and reduce the reasons to hate her (ie by making Margaery an ambitious adult using sex to manipulate Tommen, instead of 16 yr old potential virgin) I don't think the "feminist" outcry will be that small.

Also between people complaining about the mysoginy, people who will complain about the anti-religious caricature, and people who will be all "happy this bitch got her comeuppance", there's more potential than ever for big flame wars, especially in the current cultural war context over the internet started by the gamersgate (and continued with the sad puppies etc).

[Fiery Heart]

There wont be any outcry. Being marched through the street naked and having shit thrown at you doesn't qualify as violence. It is (long-overdue) humiliation for her character. Rape is violence. And the overwhelming majority of people will be delighted to see Cersei put into this position, for obvious reasons.

And naked doesn't equal sexual.

[Lord Freypie]

Humiliation of a woman of power by religious zealots with the support of masculine figures of the society like Kevan/Pycelle.

IMO it's a far more political subject than some known psycho also being a rapist.

[protar]

Pretty much none. It happened in the books so no rage on that front, it doesn't even come close to Sansa's plot line in terms of violence against women and most viewers won't even introspect on how sexist the WoS is. And they even snuck in a male WoS with the HS, presumably specifically to cover their bases there.

[ToTheWolves]

I hope they don't rush this scene. Also in the books doesn't Kevan convince cersei to confess? Or does she decide to go through with the walk on her own? Either way I think they will give the role to the faith militant the role of making cersei walk instead of her choosing on her own...but I would like to see another scene with her and kevan though.

[Fiery Heart]

Humiliation of a woman of power by religious zealots with the support of masculine figures of the society like Kevan/Pycelle.

IMO it's a far more political subject than some known psycho also being a rapist.

An innocent woman? No, a woman who deserves humiliation for the horrific acts she has perpetrated against countless people. Yes it's a 'masculine' power structure in KL but it really is not this black and white, there are women putting her through this too... the sisters of the faith.

To the OP, this scene is in episode 10...

[Lord Freypie]

But do you think Cersei really appear that bad in the show ?

Carol is not ASOIAF mad queen Cersei, her only crime is to have got Robert killed, most other bad things book!Cersei did, like getting the bastards killed, it's Joffrey who did them in the show, and Cersei was just the poor mother having that cruel son but still loving him. She hadn't even slept around a lot as there were no Kettleblack. And she got lot of scenes to make the viewer pity her, from the one about her lost son with Robert to her conversation with Tyrion about their unwanted marriages, and one big badass moment when she told the truth to Tywin.

Are there no show!Cersei fans around after all that ?

[grufolo]

Well it seems to be useless reminding, but maybe it's still worth mentioning that this is not something happening in the real world.

It's not a documentary.

All character are fictional and the setting too, it all happens in a set where actors are paid to do a scene.

Cersei is not a real person.

The septons, septas and the other figures are not real people. they're just actors, proxies for a fictional world only living in an author's mind.

There is no rape, torture, beheading, living dead, dragons out there.

[pettes]

But do you think Cersei really appear that bad in the show ?

Carol is not ASOIAF mad queen Cersei, her only crime is to have got Robert killed, most other bad things book!Cersei did, like getting the bastards killed, it's Joffrey who did them in the show, and Cersei was just the poor mother having that cruel son but still loving him. She hadn't even slept around a lot as there were no Kettleblack. And she got lot of scenes to make the viewer pity her, from the one about her lost son with Robert to her conversation with Tyrion about their unwanted marriages, and one big badass moment when she told the truth to Tywin.

Are there no show!Cersei fans around after all that ?

She killed lady, she slept With Jaime and lancel

[dsug]

I'm sure feminists will be disgusted and blame D&D for adapting the books George wrote.

[Lord Reaper oOo]

Oh I cant wait for the feminists to start bitching and complaining.

Boo hoo. Cersei is getting off EASY.

If it were up to me I'd lock that cunt up in the black cells and forget she existed.

..after her Walk of Shame, of course. ;)

[Fiery Heart]

@grufolo Yes these aren't real situations but from the audience perspective, when these images are onscreen there is an element of reality, in that the emotional response is still there. If you're a victim of rape or physical abuse, and you watch images of rape / abuse, they're going to affect you whether it's fictional or not. What should / shouldn't be shown is debatable. Personally I'm with D&D and GRRM, the harsher realities should be shown and discussed and ultimately it's positive to be able to portray the good and the bad. If people want to become upset from this scene because a woman is being publically humiliated onscreen, I'm not sure they'd have the intelligence to even understand or explain why they're upset in the first place. I don't believe there will be any outcry from this scene, people are not that stupid.

[Pigeon Pie]

As a feminist, I personally won't complain.

1. Is this a barbaric punishment? Yes, but then again those are religious extremists, till today they're barbaric.

2. Cersei is accused of pretty serious stuff. Incest and killing the king are among them. Some people will have you believe that was just to slut-shame her, but it wasn't- Cersei hasn't just slept around a little bit after her husband died... she did it with her brother while her husband was alive aaand she killed that husband.

3. Cersei is not Sansa. They have different arcs and different personalities. While Sansa's arc was leading us to believe she's becoming strong and in control of her own destiny, her rape completely blew that out. On the other hand, Cersei has a completely opposite arc: She's started out an oppressor in power, became more so when every man who had power over her died, but her stupid plans backfired against her. Her arc was leading to punishment all along. Her walk of shame makes sense, Sansa's rape didn't.

[Lord Freypie]

In the books the walk of shame is for the only crimes she recognized : having slept around with Lancel and the Kettlebacks, the rest having to be dealt with in her future trial, so it's clearly slut-shaming.
I'm not sure if in the show it will be the same or if she'll confess more (after all she already ooc confessed the twincest to Tywin, so why not make her confess all now ?). But if she has to do the WoS just for sleeping with Lancel I'd find logical to see people being shocked.

(anyway, as I seem to be the only one to think there will be an outcry, I'm probably wrong, perhaps I'm overestimating tumblr-feminist generation rationality having the idea they would complain more about something with so much political implications than about a psycho shown raping a popular character ; or I'm underestimating their capacity to understand it's just fiction and intended to show a patriarchal society not to endorse it)

[Pigeon Pie]

In the books the walk of shame is for the only crimes she recognized : having slept around, the rest having to be dealt with in her future trial, so it's clearly slut-shaming.

I'm not sure if in the show it will be the same or if she'll confess more (after all she already ooc confessed the twincest to Tywin, so why not again ?). But if she just has to do the WoS for sleeping with Lancel I'd find logical to see people being shocked.

(anyway, as I seem to be the only one to think there will be an outcry, I'm probably wrong, perhaps I'm overestimating tumblr-feminist generation rationality having the idea they would complain more about something with so much political implications than about a psycho shown raping a popular character ; or I'm underestimating their capacity to understand it's just fiction and intended to show a patriarchal society not to endorse it)

On the show, Qyburn has said her charges are incest, fornication and the murder of King Robert. In the books it's just the sleeping around so it is slut shaming, but on the show it's not.