How much of an Internet firestorm will Cersei's scene cause? (Book Spoilers)

[sj4iy]

To conclude that the outrage over Sansa's rape was in regards to "tumblr girls", or "It wasn't in the books" is entirely stupid, considering most of the reviews from critics for said episode were negative as well. I felt outraged by it because the entire storyline was designed to rape a main character for shock factor. That's it. Not to mention that two episodes in, I still haven't seen any creativity that justifies the event, or how this storyline was badly put in the first place, denying all logic (LF, master manipulator, has no idea of who Ramsay is/Sansa's marriage doesn't count) to make it happen.

Nobody will complain about Cersei because it was in the books and it made sense. It's not a leap of logic to humiliate her character in order to keep a status of "EDGY!!" "SHOCKING!!"

Sorry, but that's just BS. You don't KNOW how any of that storyline turns out, you can't possibly say that it "makes more sense". That's ridiculous. If the show had followed the books, there absolutely would have been a firestorm after what he did to Jeyne Poole- which was absolutely sick.

And if you honestly believe that people won't be bitching about Cersei's scene because it was in the books and made "sense", then you are clearly underestimating how much people get upset about any sort of sexual violence towards women on the Internet.

[Cas Stark]

Sorry, but that's just BS. You don't KNOW how any of that storyline turns out, you can't possibly say that it "makes more sense". That's ridiculous.

And to say that her entire point was to get raped is sickening and demeaning.

Well, yeah, I think we can say it makes more sense, because the entire Sansa marrying Ramsay at LF behest doesn't make sense, as has been already discussed to death.

Since there are any number of other contrived plots they could have used but they chose to have Sansa marry Ramsay and then talk about how she turns her victimization around to empowerment, it's hard not to conclude her rape was a critical point to the storyline for the show.

[sj4iy]

Well, yeah, I think we can say it makes more sense, because the entire Sansa marrying Ramsay at LF behest doesn't make sense, as has been already discussed to death.

Since there are any number of other contrived plots they could have used but they chose to have Sansa marry Ramsay and then talk about how she turns her victimization around to empowerment, it's hard not to conclude her rape was a critical point to the storyline for the show.

It's hard to make any of those judgements when:

1. We haven't seen what happens to her in the books.

2. And we haven't seen how the TV show storyline is resolved.

And if it is as you say, that the rape is the "turning point" in her story...well, that would make her exactly like Dany- which happened in the very first episode of season one, and didn't cause nearly the same amount of outrage.

Basically, the double standards here are staggering.

[Alayne's Shadow.]

It's hard to make any of those judgements when:

1. We haven't seen what happens to her in the books.

2. And we haven't seen how the TV show storyline is resolved.

And if it is as you say, that the rape is the "turning point" in her story...well, that would make her exactly like Dany- which happened in the very first episode of season one, and didn't cause nearly the same amount of outrage.

Basically, the double standards here are staggering.

There's nothing that this storyline could do to fix it's past, unless it goes under retcon. We know it made no sense to LF and Sansa to put her there - Despite what might happen, they can't undo that. So this line of argumentation is ridiculous. It was contrived and yes, demeaning and sickening, as you said so yourself. If you do agree with me, why are you then defending their choice to put her there only to do this moment?

And just to answer to these arguments about Dany's rape, It's not the same. The plot wasn't twisted and characterizations discarted and characters acting stupid to make it happen. That's why no outrage. Although consensual in the books, Drogo goes on and rapes her in the following scene - And Dany's position and characterization weren't affected to make it happen, nor was the plot made to do leaps of logic. Get it? Dany married Drogo forcibly by her brother, and the situation made sense to her character and to Drogo's. That's it.

So, no double standards. One made sense, another was fruit to one of the most contrived plotlines they ever established.

[conceptualinertia]

I think the level of outrage will depend on how the scene is shot. If there is full frontal nudity and Cersei breaking down and running there will be tremendous outrage (remember there was no full frontal nudity for the High Septon). From a show watcher's perspective Cersei's walk of shame is completely gratuitous and unnecessary to an even greater extent than the rape of Sansa, which was almost inevitable once they decided to put Sansa in Winterfell. They could make up almost any other punishment (e.g. Cersei has to clean up horse dung or empty the chamber pots of the poor) and they chose slut-shaming and nudity!?!

If it is shot so that there is only rear nudity and Cersei maintains her composure/pride, there will only be a little outrage and D & D will be able to use the book and the HS as cover.

[Cas Stark]

It's hard to make any of those judgements when:

1. We haven't seen what happens to her in the books.

2. And we haven't seen how the TV show storyline is resolved.

And if it is as you say, that the rape is the "turning point" in her story...well, that would make her exactly like Dany- which happened in the very first episode of season one, and didn't cause nearly the same amount of outrage.

Basically, the double standards here are staggering.

It's technically possible she becomes an abuse victim the books, but Harry doesn't seem the type to leave his wife in bruises, so I'd say that is a long shot.

There is no way to resolve the TV show storyline that can have it make sense. Period. There is nothing that can happen that will make it a smarter move for LF than keeping Sansa in the Vale.

No, the Sansa story is nothing like Dany. First of all, she chooses it, LF gives her a choice. Viscerys gave Dany no choice. Second, Drogo doesn't ever knowingly brutalize her or keep her prisoner in the show...he's seen as someone w/a different set of cultural values, not a psycho like Ramsay. And of course we see Dany's story evolve over an entire season, where she goes from feeling victimized to finding agency to turning the situation around into something positive. There is nothing like this with Sansa, however she gets out of it, it's not going to be the same because we've not seen any evolution of her character this season, if anything it has been more inconsistent than ever.

[Cas Stark]

I wouldn't worry, I expect the WOS will play as very sympathetic to Cersei in the show, and she will come off as clearly a victim.

[nfe]

I wouldn't worry, I expect the WOS will play as very sympathetic to Cersei in the show, and she will come off as clearly a victim.

She is a victim. However much of a hideous wretch she is, public humiliation isn't a just punishment.

People shouldn't be watching it cheering that Cersei's getting her cummupence. Were the show to attempt to portray it as a good and deserved event, then it should receive an appalled reaction - it would be far more justified than the hate they've gotten for the rape of Sansa.

[midi]

I doubt this will be a very controversial scene considering all the stuff that happens in these last two episodes. Most of the QQing will be about other stuff.