HomeSteak Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 He did nothing wrong.#teamstannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 He did nothing wrong. #teamstannis #RIPMANNIS STANNISTHEMANIAC NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 if Robb had declared for Stannis when Renly was alive and Stannis had an army of a few thousand mediocre soldiers, that would have been totally idiotic. At that time supporting Renly made 100 times more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Can we please have a harder enforcement on not discussing the show here? I don't watch it, I don't want spoilers. Please, this. The rules of the forum clearly say that "Any further threads locked for this purpose will simply be deleted with no explanation." So I don't really understand why this thread is still going and has been moved here. Anyway, too many mentions of the show are apprearing in the novels forum without even a "spoilers" mention. I hope that something is done in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Atleast this was move to the show threads!! yeah i never held it against robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasmusF Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Robb is dead and Stannis is alive. Robb put himself in a strategically unwinnable situation by choosing to declare the North independent. Need I go on? How did declaring the North independent make the situation unwinnable? He was well on his way to winning when the Red Wedding happened. At worst he could have retreated to the North, retaken Winterfell, and waited out the implosion of King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philpenn Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Could Rob have said no when the Northern Lords declared him King in the North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Could Rob have said no when the Northern Lords declared him King in the North? Of course but then what would he have done? Supported Stannis' cause? Stannis is nearly as much of a monster as Joff or at least is on his way to becoming one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Robb didn't really do anything wrong. Stannis hadn't even declared his intention to take the throne when Robb became king. Had he done so, Robb would have declared for Stannis I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmure's Floppy Fish Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Maybe the pink letter was actually written by Stannis and was actually code for Mel to go ahead with the burning of Shireen to "wake the dragon". D&D has pulled off the greatest troll of Stannis fans ever! They picked a hell of a fandom to provoke. I was waiting for something extraordinary to happen after she burned Shireen, like a dragon taking flight, or siege equipment, food, weapons, and an army to magically appear; according to next weeks preview, all we get are some ice sickles starting to melt.. I think burning a Florent could have changed the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 How did declaring the North independent make the situation unwinnable? He was well on his way to winning when the Red Wedding happened. No he wasn't. He was far from winning. As soon as the battle of Blackwater happened he had lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 **** Stannis and his throne. Ned died for Stannis? Good for Robb for wanting to divorce himself and the North from the united kingdoms of Westeros "Renly Baratheon is nothing to me, nor Stannis neither.... It was the Dragons we married, and now the dragons are all dead." Don't screw this up Jon or Dany, or (f?)Aegon What, you really think this is a good episode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 It's funny that people are trying to say that it doesn't have to happen in the TWOW because of the pretentious book > show attitude. Get off your high horse. The show creators literally said GRRM told them about this scene. Wrong. They never said "Stannis sacrifices Shireen". And they certainly didn't say "Stannis burns Shireen to win Winterfell", because that's literally IMPOSSIBLE. So cut out the show apologist and Stannis hating crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biglose Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 **** Stannis and his throne. Ned died for Stannis? Good for Robb for wanting to divorce himself and the North from the united kingdoms of Westeros "Renly Baratheon is nothing to me, nor Stannis neither.... It was the Dragons we married, and now the dragons are all dead." Don't screw this up Jon or Dany, or (f?)Aegon No, I think we should give rob the same treatment we always gave his stepmother. Because Robb did not back stannis, Ghost wasn't there and so the camp was raided and thats why a poor little girl was burned. It is all Robbs fault, he is a despicable human beeing. (And yes, I am fully aware of the fact,that if he went with Stannis, the Wildlings would have died which would also have made him a despicable human beeing.) Well, maybe he just should have send ghoest and people he trusted. But if beeing alone at the wall with nobody to back him would have killed him and others would have suffered, you guess it...) Edit: Brainfail on my part. Was so out of question to bash somebody who is dead for several books/Seasons for anything but of course I kind of thought of Jon Snow... But of course lets blame Robbs rotten bones anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasmusF Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 No he wasn't. He was far from winning. As soon as the battle of Blackwater happened he had lost. That's not even knowable. That's your opinion. There's no evidence the Tyrell's would do anything more to support a war in the Westerlands. They would have Walder Freyed it. More important was the Iron Islands, but even then Robb could have retreated to the North and waited them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That's not even knowable. That's your opinion. There's no evidence the Tyrell's would do anything more to support a war in the Westerlands. They would have Walder Freyed it. Of course its known. Tywin and the Tyrells were not interested in ruling half a kingdom, they wanted all of Westeros. Robb was done, his mother even tells him to surrender on the way to the Twins. There is a reason why Roose and the Freys were jumping ship even before news of Robbs marriage broke. The Blackwater changed everything. What war in the Westerlands are you talking about? Robb did great at the beginning, his victory over Jaime was his peak but he did nothing on consequence after that. He was merely plundering places rather than leaving actual Garrisons at the Crag and Ashemark to hold them and truly threaten the Westerland Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What, you really think this is a good episode? if he enjoyed it why should he care about what anyone else thinks? i don't change how much enjoyment i get based on other's opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't mind that this is happening, but I see in this thread we're shifting towards discussion about Robb fighting a lost cause. I'm not saying Robb made every right call. I think not backing Stannis is a major complaint against Robb among fans since the Red Wedding happened. I'm just saying, as we are seeing what sort of a man Stannis is, and blundering his raid against KL, I really don't hold it against Robb for not declaring for Stannis way back when. If Robb was able to survive Theon's betrayal and consolidate his troops and efforts to the North/Riverlands and hold off on storming KL and getting Sansa (maybe if he had been in on the Jaime trade, Sansa could have been returned to the North?), I think the North (as we knew it under Stark leadership) could have survived long enough to see Dany reach Westeros. I think Robb would have been willing to bend the knee to Dany, uniting the North to the rest of Westeros again No, I think we should give rob the same treatment we always gave his stepmother.Because Robb did not back stannis, Ghost wasn't there and so the camp was raided and thats why a poor little girl was burned. It is all Robbs fault, he is a despicable human beeing. (And yes, I am fully aware of the fact,that if he went with Stannis, the Wildlings would have died which would also have made him a despicable human beeing.)Well, maybe he just should have send ghoest and people he trusted. But if beeing alone at the wall with nobody to back him would have killed him and others would have suffered, you guess it...)Whaaaa? Are you confusing Robb for JON!? Robb doesn't have a stepmom nor Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany4eva Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Thank god most didn't support him. I am sure Mel will completely right him off as well soonish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerDesmondHume Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't see why the northerners would want to work with the seven kingdoms. Apart from Dorne and maybe the Iron Islands they are the most culturally distinct region. Including Robb 4 Stark leaders of Winterfell went south and died. The North is the only kingdom that gives a damn about the wall. At least Renly wasn't a douche the Starks. He was willing to let Robb keep his title. Stannis just attempted blood magic because he's a cheater. I feel bad for Robb I don't know why anyone would want to give him problems for not backing Stannis Baratheon. Nobody wants to back Stannis Baratheon except fanatics of the red god. Such a bitter man should not sit the iron throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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