chambraigne Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stanley Barton has been consistently more willing to burn people than Stannis Baratheon. He was burning people for refusing to convert, burning people for speaking against Melisandre, he was willing to burn Gendry without requiring any proof (he literally agrees within minutes of meeting him and Melisandre, of all people, makes him wait), and has now burned his daughter because he was stuck in a blizzard. So, it wasn't out of character for Stanley, but for Stannis? Yes, which should go without saying as when faced with the same scenario in ADWD he refuses to burn anyone innocent, let alone someone like Shireen.Stannis has always had a fucked up view of what constitutes guilt and innocence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 The "when George first told us about this" quote doesn't really prove anything, imo. Situations in the books will have to change drastically, for Stannis to burn his daughter, seeing how he just told Justin Massey to seat his daughter on the throne should he die. I'm not being in denial about anything, the quote is vague. It doesn't make any sense for Stannis to do this in the coming books. It makes sense for Mel or Selyse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 He had an inkling that something was off though and was visibly reluctant to leave. Stannis' "my family stays with me" was pretty ominous too?What does Davos do now? Is it possible he'll buddy up with Jon and then get sent on his Rickon quest?Be at castle black when Sansa and Brienne show up, get sent to find Rickon. Brienne kills Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ben Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Link? Well... watch the last 5 minutes after the trailers roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Yup see people already in denial that it happens in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzalo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Sorry for repeating myself. Damn internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follmann Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 So by making Winterfell about Stannis vs. Boltons, by completely getting rid of the Northern lords, that's where we ended up. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I expected D&D to make a statement like this, or at least to start making statements like this. Anytime something controversial happens in the story they are gonna defend themselves by saying "well George said this was going to be in the books". If D&D are telling the full truth then I want to know how Stannis is planning on burning Shireen when she is at Castle Black and he is in the middle of preparing to siege Winterfell and he is instructing Massey to fight on in Shireen's name if he dies in battle. I can definitely see Mel burning Shireen at the wall in the books, in fact I've expected it. Probably to try and bring Jon back. But the difference between Mel doing it of her own accord and probably with Selyse help and between Stannis personally green lighting burning his daughter at the stake is a big deal. If Winds comes out or George makes a statement and Stannis tells Mel its okay to burn Shireen then I retract all the bad things I've said about D&D and that I will continue to say. But until then this disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Jon_Snow_ Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 for me Stannis is not redemable anymore. i never liked him and i am glad about my intuition about that. let him burn his whole army there is NO JUSTIFICATION for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkiller Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Anyone else think this was Stannis's way of telling Davos, "You're fired. I have chosen Melisandre over you once and for all. Now go join the Night's Watch because if you come back, you're done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctid1977 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't buy that Stannis does it in the books. I buy that Mel does it, awakes the stone dragon and brings back Jon. But not Stannis. Stannis who just sent Justin massey to get an army and put Shireen on the throne if Stannis dies? I do not buy it. I think she gets burned, but not by her dad and not on his orders. I'll see when the book comes out but I don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiemal Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stanley Barton has been consistently more willing to burn people than Stannis Baratheon. He was burning people for refusing to convert, burning people for speaking against Melisandre, he was willing to burn Gendry without requiring any proof (he literally agrees within minutes of meeting him and Melisandre, of all people, makes him wait), and has now burned his daughter because he was stuck in a blizzard. So, it wasn't out of character for Stanley, but for Stannis? Yes, which should go without saying as when faced with the same scenario in ADWD he refuses to burn anyone innocent, let alone someone like Shireen. To be clear, I don't think Stannis will be on board with this until all the cogs align- which I suspect will involve some link between greyscale and "stone dragons" that has yet to be revealed. I agree that he wouldnt cavalierly toss his heir on the barby. I just take it for granted that the show will... do this kind of thing to everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctid1977 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't buy that Stannis does it in the books. I buy that Mel does it, awakes the stone dragon and brings back Jon. But not Stannis. Stannis who just sent Justin massey to get an army and put Shireen on the throne if Stannis dies? I do not buy it. I think she gets burned, but not by her dad and not on his orders. I'll see when the book comes out but I don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBenDaario NaStarkHands Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 So by making Winterfell about Stannis vs. Boltons, by completely getting rid of the Northern lords, that's where we ended up. *sigh*Don't be ridiculous, Winterfell has obviously always been about the Black Wedding, or Sansa-gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkiller Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Anyone else think this was Stannis's way of telling Davos, "You're fired. I have chosen Melisandre over you once and for all. Now go join the Night's Watch because if you come back, you're done." Basically he got to fire Davos without having to execute him for trying to save Shireen. No way Stannis actually thinks Davos will continue serving him, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirthula Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I never Stannis would ever be good king because I always thought of him as a morally ambiguous character not a clear bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I think it is was good, it would have been better if they had covered Nissa Nissa. Which would have made this more perfect IMO. Very much a Nissa Nissa parallel. I saw that straight away, too. It really does bring up an interesting question...if one innocent has to die to save the world, is it worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksniffer Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I wonder what will Davos do now become an almost-king slayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirthula Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I never Stannis would ever be good king because I always thought of him as a morally ambiguous character not a clear bad guy. I mean he killed his younger brother now his daughter how can such a man be savior of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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