Pc2004 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I think stannis genuinely loves his daughter but he is bound more my duty. I still hold he does not want the iron throne but only seeks it because that's what's right and just. He was roberts next in line. I think Shireen is just a tragic victim of stannis seeking the greater "just" cause. I will admit I was shocked that she was burned and wished he would have stopped it for sure. But stannis is a do things Bc they need to be done. Not for enjoyment or grief. Shocking turn for sure but I understand enough of his character to kind of go ....yeah I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I don't know which were more heartbreaking: Sansa's screams as she's raped, or Shireen's scream as she's burned. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurktan Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If you had to kill anyone in your immediate family to save the world, would you do it? Yes because if I didnt they would die anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Cross Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 As someone who's never liked Stannis but had a strong fatherly affection for Shireen, I truly believe that this season will be where people look back and say "Yeah, that's where Game of Thrones lost its touch." Most of the time, when a character dies, there's some type of lesson/moral to the story. This scene was purely done for shock and to demonize Stannis. It's not only bad taste, but piss poor writing that they created such a loveable character only to use her as a method of making people hate another character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 thanks my dear Fragile Bird, i really dig these threads.... that said he are my thoughts...for what they are worth.... i was not surprised that stannis agreed and i am not surprised that d&d got it straight from grrm that he was going to do this as well. i understand at the moment in adwd that they are not together but i don't think that is going to matter, when the time comes to do the deed. i think this will break davos loyalty finally. if he finds rickon he may go over to starks or be killed trying to kill mel No one knows Rickon and Bran are still alive except Theon and Sansa (and Ramsay, of course), so if Davos does head off to find Rickon I assume that will happen next season, right? After Theon and Sansa escape and get caught by Stannis? I don't think Stannis will die next episode.... i don't know about her going to grasslands before next season. since she don't have bloody flux she has been exposed to greyscale through jorahs touch so i don't know if the grassland s is the place for her right now. i do think tyrion will pull a quentyn martell and release dragons though i do not believe he will be burned...i also now feel real bad for hizdar and all the hate toward him as most believed he was head harpy... Ah yes, I meant to mention that in the OP. I assumed at once he was behind the Harpy attack, but then he gets killed. Or we find out later he was betrayed or something. they were on north side of wall at hardhome so why wouldn't they come to north side...i was happy to se thorne was not going to disobey. i don't think he will be part of the ides moment... They sailed away in ships. I can't see them sailing north of Hardhome and then circling around the WWs and the wights, or even landing further south, but still north of the Wall, and walking to Castle Black. It makes no sense... i think we will see sam leave i don't know about davos Does anyone at Castle Black know Bran and Rickon are alive? I don't think so, so now I think Davos returns to Stannis, but we he finds out what happened, wants to get away ASAP. That's why I think Theon and Sansa have to make their escape. Or Stannis captures Winterfell, through magical help. i don't think arya is in for a rape i think trant is doomed, and jaqen might step in or not but i believe her big cliffhanger for unsullied will be blindness...Definitely not a rape. I'm sure she gives the gift to Trant. trystane going in place of snakes is interesting though we don't know if they will accompany jamie and company...tommen is doomed though and that is when cersei will discover her own daughter is the young queen who is now loyal to martells is her threat...i wouldn't be surprised if she turns on myrcella forcing jamie to choose which i think will not go cersei's way...thus putting jamie back on his book pathNow there's an idea. thanks again for getting thread going :kiss: :D Anytime, sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
of man and wolf Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 People who know Bran and Rickon are alive: SamJon(well hell he saw Shaggy and Summer)GillyRooseRamsaySansaTheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
of man and wolf Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Also I'm sorry but I do not want more magic from the red witch killing other characters...it would not be a satisfying deah at all for even the Boltons to go out that way. Tired of her and her shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 People who know Bran and Rickon are alive: Sam Jon(well hell he saw Shaggy and Summer) Gilly Roose Ramsay Sansa Theon Now I am getting confused between the books and the show. Sam knows in the books, but Jon doesn't. Didn't Bran and the Reeds escape Crastor's without being seen by Jon or Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Patroclo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If you had to kill anyone in your immediate family to save the world, would you do it? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faint Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I am at a complete loss as to what is going to go down in the North. I feel they have advanced Stannis' story so far along that it would not completely shock me if they had Brienne kill him already, although I do think they will hold off until next season for that. Melisandre is the real wild card. All indications are that she is to have more interactions with Jon but now I have no idea how they would go about doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperoreddy Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 People who know Bran and Rickon are alive: Sam Jon(well hell he saw Shaggy and Summer) Gilly Roose Ramsay Sansa Theon Sam and Jon don't know Rickon is alive. Sam only knows Bran WAS alive and it is safe for them to assume they are dead now. Especially after what Jon saw at Hardhome. Rewatch the end of season 4. Roose and Ramsey give up on Locke and just go on and assume Bran and Rickon are dead as well. Roose says as much when he legitimizes Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
of man and wolf Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Now I am getting confused between the books and the show. Sam knows in the books, but Jon doesn't. Didn't Bran and the Reeds escape Crastor's without being seen by Jon or Sam? I only mentioned Jon since when h fled from Ygritte and the wildings he saw summer and shaggy attacking some of them. He must have wondered why those two big wolves were there at that time together and maybe surmised his bros were still alive. But maybe not since he hasn't thought of them since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Baratheon Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Stannis as a character was the real murder last night. Please D&D resolve this timeline now, no use wasting more time with it next two - and shall I remind - last seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lessal Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 ok uhm... stannis is writing a letter that is going to bring jon into murky waters... could have been more of a mystery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Also I'm sorry but I do not want more magic from the red witch killing other characters...it would not be a satisfying deah at all for even the Boltons to go out that way. Tired of her and her shit. :agree: Just wait, she'll be all over Jon soon. :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lessal Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 ok uhm... stannis is writing a letter that is going to bring jon into murky waters... could have been more of a mystery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr's Little Finger Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Show Stannis is a massive jerk burning Shireen like that but I seriously hope Brienne doesn't kill him. That would be pretty lame IMO. Hope he goes down fighting against the Boltons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Judging from Sansa's "If I'm going to die, let it happen while there's still some of me left" quote from the preview, and that shot of Brienne and Pod in what looks like the same scene as the Sansa shot, I'm guessing Brienne and Pod finally arrive to bail Sansa out, but she refuses to escape in favour of what sounds a lot like a suicide mission. Maybe she decides to try to take Ramsay and/or Roose out by herself (thus the corkscrew). Then, having been spurned again, Brienne goes after Stannis and takes him out? Seems like a lot for one episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies are coming Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If you had to kill anyone in your immediate family to save the world, would you do it? Fuck the world, no. Besides, Stannis didn't kill Shireen to save the world. He did it to make it to Winterfell. And, you see, the dead are coming from the opposite direction I don't know which were more heartbreaking: Sansa's screams as she's raped, or Shireen's scream as she's burned. :( Well, Sansa got out of that scene hurt by someone bound to hurt her but alive. Shireen got out of that scene horrifically dead at the hands of someone who should have protected her... As someone who's never liked Stannis but had a strong fatherly affection for Shireen, I truly believe that this season will be where people look back and say "Yeah, that's where Game of Thrones lost its touch." Most of the time, when a character dies, there's some type of lesson/moral to the story. This scene was purely done for shock and to demonize Stannis. It's not only bad taste, but piss poor writing that they created such a loveable character only to use her as a method of making people hate another character. There might be a lesson in the next episode. Doesn't mean I don't want someone to execute Stannis. No one knows Rickon and Bran are still alive except Theon and Sansa (and Ramsay, of course), so if Davos does head off to find Rickon I assume that will happen next season, right? After Theon and Sansa escape and get caught by Stannis? I don't think Stannis will die next episode.... That's probably what happens to Sansa. Can she execute Stannis and hang his entrails off a Hearthtree? The Starks should restore the King (of Winter)'s peace and justice in the North, and Sansa is the only Stark around. Me wants entrails! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pc2004 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Judging from Sansa's "If I'm going to die, let it happen while there's still some of me left" quote from the preview, and that shot of Brienne and Pod in what looks like the same scene as the Sansa shot, I'm guessing Brienne and Pod finally arrive to bail Sansa out, but she refuses to escape in favour of what sounds a lot like a suicide mission. Maybe she decides to try to take Ramsay and/or Roose out by herself (thus the corkscrew). Then, having been spurned again, Brienne goes after Stannis and takes him out? Seems like a lot for one episode.If it is some sort of suicide mission, would it lend itself to Sansa absorbing some form of the lady stoneheart plot. Seems fitting. I hope they do not go that route but if she wants to die or is planning on doing something drastic then some form of LSH is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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