AryaSansa Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Where is Greyworm? I hope he comes back, I want to see some romance with him and Missandra! They make such a cute couple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay21 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Tyrion didn't take that mouthful of water in Valaria for nothing. That little man has greyscale or the scene wouldn't have made the show.I don't know why I even push the 'Quote' button, it never does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Raven Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 There are numerous posts regarding Targ immunity. Even in the books she thinks about it and doesn't catch stuff.As a side note I'm guessing Greyscale spreads and her blood offers immunity for suffers to use? That might be the bitter sweet ending.. Haha - Although Tyrion does not catch it in the books either. Also, in the books Tyrion thinks that the infection mostly spreads from the infected part. Plenty of Targs have gotten awful sick. Regarding greyscale specifically, Shireen (she has Targ blood) contracted it and Princess Maegelle Targaryen died from greyscale so Targs can certainly get it and die from it. If Dany doesn't have it, it's because in the show it's contagious by directly touching the scaly skin or touching something that came in contact with scaly skin and wasn't washed off. At least I hope D&D have some rules for the disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't see why in hell people are defending that grey scale doesnt spread with large amounts of made up info.Unless Dany actually gets it, like a few posters predict, D&D just screwed up.Please stop with the "It actually makes sense"Jorah covered it with what? A thin cloth. Not even leather. Someone please don't tell me he used a Valyrian hand sanitizer :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Nan Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't see why in hell people are defending that grey scale doesnt spread with large amounts of made up info.Unless Dany actually gets it, like a few posters predict, D&D just screwed up.Please stop with the "It actually makes sense"Jorah covered it with what? A thin cloth. Not even leather. Someone please don't tell me he used a Valyrian hand sanitizer :)Not only that, but within hours of fighting the stone men, he has a big patch on his wrist, making it seem to spread fast, but now the patch has remained the same size days or maybe weeks later. I'm just not buying that he'd go touching people he cares about with only a small bracer for cover. Joncon wore gloves at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldric Storm Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't think everyone who gets touched gets it and it may take long periods of contact to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't think everyone who gets touched gets it and it may take long periods of contact to get it.Ahem long period?Jorah?I kind of agree with one poster. Please read all arguments for & against and kindly give a reply with reasons. That would help further this convo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Ahem long period?Jorah?I kind of agree with one poster. Please read all arguments for & against and kindly give a reply with reasons. That would help further this convo Jorah's got it from a stone man who was entirely covered by greyscale, Jorah's greyscale is in it's first stages, i don't think that simply a touch will spread it to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Jorah's got it from a stone man who was entirely covered by greyscale, Jorah's greyscale is in it's first stages, i don't think that simply a touch will spread it to others.And how does he know that? Did he have full knowledge his Greyscale doesnt spread that he decided to hold the woman he loved all over.Has the show ever mentioned such about it not spreading in early stages?The did mention it was highly contagious(maybe). But they never mentioned anything against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm.131 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think the purpose of the lingering shot was to show Dany actively putting her trust in Jorah again after the roller coaster they've been on together, not to show that she would contract greyscale. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it. I think so too. But then, it would be funny to add another title to the many she already holds, Khaleesi of the Grass Sea, Mother of Dragons, Stormborn, etc, and.... STONE QUEEN OF WESTEROS. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeIAF Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think so too. But then, it would be funny to add another title to the many she already holds, Khaleesi of the Grass Sea, Mother of Dragons, Stormborn, etc, and.... STONE QUEEN OF WESTEROS. LOL To Wake Stone Dragons ... Dany won't get greyscale, in the books she doesn't come close to anyone that has it, she had interaction with people who had the bloody flux though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrion Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 To Wake Stone Dragons ... Dany won't get greyscale, in the books she doesn't come close to anyone that has it, she had interaction with people who had the bloody flux though. Thats been removed from the show. Greyscale kind of replaced it. And Dany is basically on route to Westeros soon, and Jon Con has Greyscale, probably one of her greatest enemies in Westeros. She will definitely interact with him. Just like Trystane taking the place of Nymeria on the Small council to speed things up and removed tons of story, they could easily be speeding up Dany getting Greyscale. Look, since it passed so fast to Jorah, well pretty much know next episode the extent of the Greyscale outbreak. Jorah touched TONS of people now. Episode 10 seems a good time to start that outbreak they have been alluding to all season. Now if Dany gets it, thats basically guaranteed, or else theres no reason to really care about it, as Meereen wont be around much longer in the shows context atleast, she will go to Westeros soon. If it happens, Dany will start having it on her hand next episode, then be interrupted by the Dothraki. As for wanting it to happen as a Dany hater.......yeah, it will confirm that she dies......awesome. And Finally, Tyrion yells "You Betrayed her!" in the episode preview, which seems Jorah is getting his greyscale revealed to everyone, possibly when Missandei shows signs of it from Dany touching her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodafockcares Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Hello, I am new here. Felt like creating an account after seeing this Greyscale shit get asked about/discussed on Reddit for like only God knows how many million times. Please forgive my terrible English as it's not my native language. My personal opinion on this matter is Dany doesn't get infected by the Greyscale due to a few reasons: 1) Like so many who have already pointed this out, Dany didn't touch Jorah on the infected area. I am not quite sure how the disease spreads, but on the show at least, it seems like only direct contact with the infected area can get you infected. He has even got the infected area covered, so that he's not exposing the disease to anyone (and of course hiding it). 2) Even in the books, Jon Con has not spread the disease to anyone else (or at least not yet). Assuming that Jorah is taking his role on the show as well, his motive should be fighting to get the person that he highly looks up to and believes in as the righftful ruler (Young Griff/Aegon for Jon Con, in Jorah's case it's Dany) on the Iron Throne. So, this leads to the next point... 3) So why would Jorah want to harm that one person who he truly believes in by infecting her? Yes, he loves her and some would say he's completely blinded by love that he can't think straight anymore. Some say he's a selfish person who only wants to 'thrust his spear into Dany' and doesn't give a single shit about her cause. Some even say that he deliberately tries to get Dany (and her people and her city) infected because he's sick and tired of getting friendzoned over and over again, kinda like a 'if I can't have her, then nobody can't' message. Nah, HBO Jorah doesn't seem like that type of person to me. He loves her, yes. But I doubt he just wants to fuck her. I dare to say that his love for her is completely platonic. He just wants to serve and help her fight for her cause simply because he adores her as a person. I just can't imagine that he's that much of a dumb ass to infect Dany, be it intentionally or unintentionally. But that's how I see HBO Jorah mind you. Heck, even Book Jorah, who's a scumbag, wouldn't want to put Dany in any harmful situation, I believe. 4) HBO Jorah is your typical chivalrous and gallant gentleman/knight. I recently read an interview with the actor who plays Jorah (Iain Glen) and he describes Jorah as a romantic, who's willing to put his own life on the line for Dany's glory and cause. If his character is supposed to be revengeful towards Dany by intentionally infecting her with the Greyscale, the actor would have known about it and acted the role accordingly. 5) Jorah has always been portrayed as a wise (except when it comes to choosing the right woman to fall in love with of course) and knowledgable person. Dude is a walking encyclopedia. Perhaps he knows more about the Greyscale more than all of us here (stuff like how it can spread, how long it takes to be contagious, how to prevent it from infecting others, etc). I think he knows what he's doing. 6) If the Greyscale is deadly contagious, like even touching every single thing the infected person has come into contact with will get you infected, then I guess most of Meereen should already be infected by now. Pretty sure Jorah has touched many things/objects (doors, walls, whatever) in Meereen, if not many people, since he has been infected. Again, this is related to point number one. So maybe on the show at least, the disease can be be transmitted if you come into contact with only the infected part. 7) Shireen. Surely the maesters or healers must have touched her when trying to cure her. We never heard of stories that any of the maester/healer was infected as well. What about the doll? When Stannis (or his people) brought the doll to Shireen, surely they must have touched the doll right? Yet none of Stannis and his people was infected. In this case, there are so many things that are so vague about the disease. I don't know, it's just giving me a headache the more I think about it. 8) Dany being a Targaryen is immune to all this shit. I personally don't think this is true. Some of you have already pointed out that Targaryens did suffer and died from certain diseases in the past. So, I kinda agree with you, Dany is not immune to every single disease in the known world. But D&D can easily use this excuse in case they are forced to explain this debate on why Dany is not infected with the Greyscale though by just saying "Yes Dany is not immune to every disease, but Greyscale is one of the diseases that she's immune to". Cheap, yeah. but knowing how inconsistent and contrived D&D's writing sometimes can be, it's possible. 9) Plot armour. Isn't this an obvious one? Dany can hug and have sex with a stone man and still not infected. Dany is surely one of the main characters of both the show and book (if not the main character). So, having her to die because of turning into a stone woman sounds kinda... I don't know, weird and stupid maybe? That just doesn't sound right to me. How much more anticlimatic can it get? It's like saying Luke Skywalker after his intensive light sabre training is on his way to meet and fight Darth Vader, but on the way he got run over by a school bus and dies. Duh. But this is GOT/ASOIAF, so maybe I shouldn't rule out any possibility. 10) Bad and inconsistent writing by D&D. GOT and plot holes are no strangers to each other. So, yeah. Let's just pretend that the scene between Dany and Jorah never happened if it bothers you so much. 11) Wishful thinking. Maybe some Dany haters want to see Dany get infected and become a stone woman, that would be fun to them. Dany fanboys/fangirls on the other hand are super worried, obsessed and paranoid about the well-being of Dany and start panicking like "Oh my God, oh shit oh shit oh shit, Dany just touched that Greyscale dude! She's gonna become a stone woman now! Oh no please don't!". Jorah fanboys/fangirls start panicking as well as he has suffered enough already. They surely can't handle the fact that Jorah will cause such a mess by tragically and unintentionally starting the Greyscale epidemic and infecting the woman that he loves. For Jorah fanboys/fangirls and DanyJorah shippers, that would be very very painful indeed. I admit I ship them so much and I don't want to see that happen as well. Come on GRRM and D&D, give that poor man a break. Stop torturing him, just leave him alone, and let him live happily with his Queen you saddistic cunts. :lol: 12) People are just overthinking about everything. It's a frickin' TV show. Just calm the fuck down, relax and enjoy the show. I simply interpret that sweet moment between Jorah and Dany as one of those 'awww' Hollywood moments. Cliche maybe but I love it. :D This show has been so gritty and causing depression for so long, so seeing a sweet happy moment once in a while is definitely a great feeling. Regarding Dany holding hands with Missandei, again I interpret it very simply, they both succumbed to the fact that they were going to die at that moment and they didn't want to die screaming, so let's just die together in a calm manner. Kinda like a 'you and me, BFFs until the end of time' thing. I didn't even realize that I have typed so much. :lol: Well, these are just my own opinions. Not saying that I am right and you are wrong. Knowing how both ASOIAF and GOT are, I don't rule out any possibility as well. Cheers guys. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cade Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 whodafockcares, thanks for that good read and welcome to the forum. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igziabeher Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 In D&D's Game of Thrones, greyscale is a disease that only infects secondary characters, regardless of the amount of contact.Do you enjoy trolling every show related topic and then defending it as reasonable discourse? I would think it gets old for people who dislike it the most to be constantly discussing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GravyFace Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Some of you are overthinking it. He didn't touch her with the affected portion of skin. Like someone said, even in the books, Jon Con only covers affected fingers with a glove.The stonemen can infect with the slightest touch because their entire body is affected. Same with a doll or toy, if it directly touches an infected portion then it can carry it to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Smokin a Blunt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 We really know nothing about how it spreads or how virulent it is, just that it's horrible once you have it. I'd imagine she'd have to come in contact with the greyscale patch on his arm, but I'm just guessing. I'd say there's only a 20% chance of her being infected at this point. I think he's going to be a ticking time bomb in her midst though. Sooner or later he's going to infect someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abandonship Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 My question is shouldn't Jorah keep things safe and wear some gloves? I am not sure that piece of cloth will help that all that much and i think it's kind of a dick move to just risk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 In the books it clearly says that Targaryens are immune to disease. Dany can't ever remember being sick in her life. Besides, Davos kisses Shireen's forehead every other episode. He should be a stoneman by now. I don't know how the disease works, but since it's a fictional malady, let's just say it's only contagious once someone goes full stoneman and loses his wits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 In the books it clearly says that Targaryens are immune to disease. Dany can't ever remember being sick in her life. Besides, Davos kisses Shireen's forehead every other episode. He should be a stoneman by now. I don't know how the disease works, but since it's a fictional malady, let's just say it's only contagious once someone goes full stoneman and loses his wits.Not all Targs are immune though. They have died from disease before, like the spring sickness that helped cause Aegon the Unlikely become king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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