Fox Mulder Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Hello y'all. Usually there is a thread like this every episode but not this one, so I thought I would make my own.First thread I've actually made. Anyways I am doomed to watch this show alone from now on. I've tried to introduce quite a few unsullied to the show and books. Unfortunately I just lost my last unsullied fellow viewer. My friends and family have not read the books but I've convinced some to watch the show with me. Unfortunately I lost my last unsullied due to this last episode. The burning of Shireen caused her walk out in disgust and swear off the show which is a bummer. The main complaint from my unsullied has been that the show is just so depressing and violent/pornographic. and that they have better things to do then to watch little girls be raped and burned alive and families get torn apart. The last viewer lasted till now becuase she was rooting for Daenarys but she thinks her plotline has grown to boring and thinks she'll probably be brutally raped and murdered soon with how the show is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seneti Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I watched the episode with one Unsullied who has just started book 3. Here are his thoughts: - Team Stannis: He was deeply upset about Shireen and thinks Stannis has reached the point of no return. He will triumph over the Boltons, but it will be an empty victory and he will never sit on the Iron Throne.- Team Night's Watch: He believes that there will be a fight next week because of Jon letting the Wildlings through, but he also thinks that Jon will be fine...- Team Dorne: He thinks Doran might quite possibly be the smartest and most reasonable person in all of Westeros. He wonders what kind of Small Council member Trystane will be and what Doran's hidden agenda is.- Team Meereen: He loved everything in Daznak's pit, particularly Drogon and the scene where the fast guy got decapitated by the strong guy. He thinks Dany is going to return to Meereen as quickly as possible to get her crew and finally leave for Westeros.- Team Braavos: He thinks Arya is going to go full O-Ren on Meryn. The Faceless Men won't condone it, but they won't kick her out either. Of all the story lines in this episode, this was the one he is looking forward to the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spilt Pea Soup Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Sorry your friends don't like grimdark fantasy. The Unsullied on my FB feed and in person still watch it, and probably enjoy it just as much as I do, if not more. Probably come from different backgrounds, but I don't get any moralizing about fiction content from anyone I know, ever. Just doesn't seem to be a way people critique things. People like things that are well done, with a good story, and don't swear things off because they have bad elements alone (gore, violence, sex, swearing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeyne's Addiction Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 My partner saw Shireen's fate in the flames as soon as the possibility was mentioned a couple episodes back, but it still hit hard. Had a tough time enjoying the rest of the episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borodin Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 All my show-watcher friends found the episode more nonsensical than the last. I got questions like: Why would Stannis do that if she is his only heir? Why didn't Jon Snow run into Castle Black ranting and raving about the White Walker guy? It's bizarre that he's just all mopey and not communicating this immanent danger with any urgency. Why would infected Jorah touch Khaleesi if he loves her? Why are those guys in the masks just standing around instead of attacking like they were before. Oh! So she can get on the dragon. I see. What was the point in the whole Dorne thing? To which I could only respond: Well, none of this happens in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 My Unsullied friend has started to realise the show is a lacking-logic mess. He has also lost hope for Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borodin Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It's funny, because I used to get really excited about filling in the back-story that wasn't explained on the show. Whenever my friends had questions I would enthusiastically explain how everything made sense - the characters' decisions and motivations - as long as you knew the relevant context. Nowadays I can only shrug and say "I don't know what to tell you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGS Martell Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I watched it with my unsullied mother, this are her thoughts: She hated Stannis for burning her daughter, but she never really liked Stannis so this scene only made her wish stronger for a Bolton victory so that Sansa grows in power over westeros along with her husband and later in the series get her revenge. She found Arya's scene poorly written and poorly developed because of her selling oysters in a brothel. She is expecting to see Arya seducing Trant and killing him. She also thinks Olly will fight Jon. As for Danny, she got exited through out all the scene, and rated the episode an 8 only for this. She expects Dany to come back for Missandei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasocfan Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The Shireen scene upset them. There was no real reaction to Dany riding Drogon because they still were not over that scene. They found Ramsey attacking Stannis' camp so easily kind of ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerseiStark Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 That's interesting, because only one person I have turned on to the show didn't care for it (didn't get past the 2nd episode). Many people I know have found it on their own. People were incredibly upset over Shireen, but I haven't had one single person question why it happened or to be confused whatsoever. When I mentioned the "controversy" to one of them, they said "They must not pay much attention to the show - they said it was going to happen back in Season 3." And this is a casual viewer that has just watched the series weekly. The reaction to Drogon was amazing, people saying they have been waiting for this to happen and stuff to finally hit the fan. It was a payoff years in the making. The only real criticism I have found is here from folks who simply don't seem to like the show but persist in watching it. Or that don't understand that all of the things they felt were "missing" weren't missing to actual viewers, people are not so stupid as to need to be hammered for hours of television with what was plainly obvious either by imagery or dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pie Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My unsullied friend sent me so much language regarding Stannis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visceral Varys Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 All my show-watcher friends found the episode more nonsensical than the last. I got questions like: Why would Stannis do that if she is his only heir? Why didn't Jon Snow run into Castle Black ranting and raving about the White Walker guy? It's bizarre that he's just all mopey and not communicating this immanent danger with any urgency. Why would infected Jorah touch Khaleesi if he loves her? Why are those guys in the masks just standing around instead of attacking like they were before. Oh! So she can get on the dragon. I see. What was the point in the whole Dorne thing? To which I could only respond: Well, none of this happens in the books.As an Unsullied, or more apt to say a tad sullied unsullied as I read the board, I completely get all those points.But in defense of D&D (to an extent) it must be very difficult to take the immense amount of information and character development and compressit into 700 episodes (or maybe 600). There is no way book lovers will be completely happy - and I understand their natural frustration.I started reading the boards to fill in some pieces but admittedly I didn't want to read the rather hefty novels.But, some things are stupid like the Harpies coming in one at a time. Although that is a trope by now as every on-screen fight scene with over two combatents does this. Drives me crazy every time. So I give them a reluctant pass on this.My fully unsullied bettter-half thought:Stannis was not a surprise as it was assumed Stannis had gone mad. Also thinks Mel's God is not a God but a demon or something and that Mel has this all wrong.Direct quote: "I'm calling Bullshit on Ramsey setting perfectly timed fires and getting past everyone". And "Davos is going to lose his shit when he finds out".Both of us thought Arya's skillz have gotten worse, not better. Certainly her stalking skills are inept. Sure way to be seen is to continuously stare at the person. I mean, come on! We kept yelling at the screen "stop looking at him for two-seconds, please!".Thought Drogon was badass and really, really enjoyed that whole scene - but that the CGI when she took flight not as good. (I think that is nit-picky as it is a TV show, not big production movie). LOVED Dinkledge's reaction to the dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visceral Varys Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Sorry, DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkRose_9 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My unsullied loved the Dany scene, liked Jon Snow's stuff, and liked Arya's. But Shireen? They were not happy about that.Oh, and they thought it was really inconsistent that Jorah kept touching everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I know 6 people who watch the show but don't read the books. I talked to four of them, and while they all found the sacrifice scene hard to watch, they aren't 'turned off' by the show. Two of them loved Dany's scene at the end, the other two were iffy on the CGI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Tyrion Lannister! Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Watched with my Sister and her reaction to Stannis burning shireen was " yeah you fucked up dude" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasocfan Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I almost forgot about something. Though to be fair, I asked them about it. They really didn't see the point of introducing Dorne at all. The season is almost over and the story really didn't go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseHarrison Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I motion we change the name of "Unsullied" to "Smallfolk". I would also accept mummers, grumpkins, nipples, and Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigocell Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Never been fond of the term "Unsullied" either. Anyway, no one I know was put off from the show as a result of this. I totally understand why some people would abandon ship, I'm choosing to just deal with it. There is a point when you can go too far and end up losing a lot of viewers. This was obviously the point of no return for a lot of people. If GRRM actually does end up doing something like this in the books, will he have gone too far for some of our readers as well? It's an interesting thought. I wish I had more to add, but I wasn't really feeling up to discussing the episode with them much. Speaking for myself, I was too upset about Shireen to be excited about it. - Thinks Stannis is an asshole (speaking for myself, this is the sort of thing that even if he wins, he has already lost) - Hopes Dany will come back and seemed worried she would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemiNymph Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My unsullied saw Shireen burning since last season. He knew she's not gonna live long so there's no issue. But the actual scene was hard to watch. At the end of the episode the Dany flying on Drogon brought a high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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