FantasyFan73 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Mostly because him being there changed practically nothing. They could have given his lines to Jorah, or Daario, or anyone for that matter. Basically he was furniture, and I don't see how that is better. I think the actor who plays tyrion is brilliant to be honest The time there was short, but the dialogue they did have- i enjoyed Edited June 18, 2015 by trw1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpywolf Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The thing that annoys me the most is that it is generally show apologists who don't like them. They use bad source material as an excuse, and say that is the primary reason season five was horrible. My key problem here is that the show has shown no aversion to shifting storylines and speeding up development, and the result is very different from ASOIAF. I mean, what are their primary complaints regarding the final books? 1. Jaime doing nothing in the Riverlands Brilliantly replaced by... Jaime doing nothing in Dorne. 2. Brienne searching for Sansa. Replaced with... Brienne doing nothing outside Winterfell. 3. Sansa eating lemon cakes in the Vale. Replaced with... Sansa getting raped in Winterfell and neither adding nor subtracting anything from her character. (Let's be honest with ourselves, Sansa's abuse is hardly ever going to be referenced again. Especially because she will NEVER be raped by Ramsay in the books.) 4. Tyrion doing nothing on a journey to Meereen. Replaced with... Tyrion hanging with bros in Meereen and fucking with everyone's arcs there as he arrived too early. 5. Dorne introducing new characters. Replaced with... Bad Pussy. The worst arc every viewed on my television. 6. Boring new Aegon laying siege to a castle and elephants on Cape Wrath. Too boring, must be cut. 7. Euron arriving on the Iron Islands, the Kingsmoot, Victarion heading out with a fleet of 100 longships, raiding the Reach. Too boring, must be cut. The new material is sooooo much better than those crappy books. Look at how much butchering those plotlines improved on the source material. I will stress one last time that I have absolutely no problem with cutting storylines and changing them. I was really looking forward to Sansa in Winterfell. But then we get not a single plotline superior to what I read, with all that potential, with all the knowledge regarding what people disliked and what should be enhanced. Yes, I was about to address this. Ive been reading people claiming the last 2 books were boring, slow and overall bad and the changes done in the show were great and improved the story. Really? Are we watching the same show? We had a full season of zero progression in some storylines and others just forced so we see more dead characters and rape. Characters should make their decisions based on their characterisation and not forced by the writers, making them act illogical so certain events can happen. This happened troughout the season. Its not about being different from the books and change or cut storylines/characters. Its about good writing and imo D&D showed this season they cant write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think Peter could have done excellent work on the Rhoyne as well. Tyrion didn't have to be in Meereen to see more of Dinklage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 D&D can write, just not their own material.When they do, we get things like;Chaos is a ladderSmash da beetlesSand Snake patty cakeAnd, "you need a bad pussy." They do very well with book material though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyk65 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 D&D can write, just not their own material. When they do, we get things like; Chaos is a ladder Smash da beetles Sand Snake patty cake And, "you need a bad pussy." They do very well with book material though. Forgot 'Cock merchant' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasyFan73 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Characters should make their decisions based on their characterisation and not forced by the writers, making them act illogical so certain events can happen. This happened troughout the season. On that i agree,you have put my feelings better than i did on another thread. As for books 4 and 5, well i think we can agree the pacing and style was different to the first three books? If people loved that, then thats great :) There are fantasy works i love (abercrombies first law books, brent weeks night angel trilogy, butchers furies series, the stormlight archive) that im sure many find awful I will still buy the next asoiaf book for sure, and still watch the next season as well ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSPR_G Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 D&D can write, just not their own material.When they do, we get things like;Chaos is a ladderSmash da beetlesSand Snake patty cakeAnd, "you need a bad pussy." They do very well with book material though.What!? That scene about Orson and the beetles is my favorite dialogue of the show. Is this regarded as 'bad writing' on this forum? I really didn't expect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yeah, that speech about the futility of man or something. Whatever, it was fucking deep. There is no way Martin's text could possibly be better than this epic speech. I mean, it has Lannister bro bonding, remember all of that in the books? It totally exemplifies their relationship, let them mock the handicapped together, the dwarf and the cripple. It was super classy awesome writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalle Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 1/3 of this forum thought this was the best thing since sliced bread :bang: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 1/3 of this forum thought this was the best thing since sliced bread :bang: And roughly 1/3 of the forum thought it was a 1. It balances out in the end. Unless you only respect the opinions of people who believe as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) 16.38% of this forum thought it was a one. That is roughly as close to 1/9 as it is to 1/3. Do the math next time. Edited June 18, 2015 by Lady Blackmont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalle Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 i wouldent buy a car from thoose people no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugly Little Girl Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'd take a bad pussy over a fat pink mast any day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 16.38% of this forum thought it was a one. That is roughly as close to 1/9 as it is to 1/3. Do the math next time. Meh, close enough. The main point still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) amn triple post. Edited June 18, 2015 by tallTale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallTale Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) damn triple post. Edited June 18, 2015 by tallTale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Bazunor the Twisted Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 What!? That scene about Orson and the beetles is my favorite dialogue of the show. Is this regarded as 'bad writing' on this forum? I really didn't expect that. Same with Chaos is a Ladder. I love those two dialogues in particular and they are both pretty hated on this forum. Just how it goes man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) I don't seem to recall the term "Pussy" ever meaning vagina in Westeros. It's the fact that it doesn't belong in the dialogue.It's tantamount to saying hairdo on screen. Edited June 18, 2015 by Lady Blackmont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer of Nations Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I gave a 8/10. It was a pretty good episode but I was dissapointed with a few things. There was not enough Tyrion obviously. ^_^ While I didn't like Stannis and I am qute happy he's (probably) dead, I am dissapointed that we didn't see the actual battle. The FTW was sadly underwhelming and so was Sansa escaping. I thought she was finally going to take a stand, I guess she needed Theon for that. The walk of shame was quite boring to watch as was the reveal of the new Kingsguard. I have to admit that I missed a few things, the Bastard Letter for example and Kevan getting killed. When it comes down to it not so bad but certainly not the best season finale we've had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer of Nations Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Seriously? I loved both conversations. They had so much hidden meaning and showed what the characters truly stood for and what they strived for. Tyrion = knowledge, so much it become pathological. Littlefinger = power, complete and unadultered power, no matter what it might take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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