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[Poll] How would you rate episode 510?

How would you rate episode 510?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

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The Dorne thing was a plot hole. According to you, Ellaria wanted to "start a war." we'll, instigating a war by killing a princess, while handing over the (apparent) next in line for the seat of "Dorne" is not the way to do it. The whole point of hostages is to prevent escalations of war. No way the dornish will follow a war which would lead to the death of a Martell, despite all the sand snakes hope. Now, if Ellarias goal was simply to kill Lannisters, why not take out Jaime too with another kiss? Hole in either case.

Regarding Sansa, fine maybe I missed some of the dialogue, but holding up an arrow at the lady of winterfell, even if the goal was to knick her, is probably not a good move. Ramsey himself said to Sansa how happy he was that she wasn't unattractive. You think Ramsey wouldn't have been a little miffed if she had done even a little damage? Maybe not plot hole since I might have missed some dialogue, but dumb nonetheless.

And my issues with plot holes isn't specifically with this ep, but almost anytime they deviate from the novels. that thing where Jon knows that Bran and Rickon are alive is full of holes. He hates Ramsey, you don't think Jon should have mentioned to Stannis that there are male Starks still alive? There's no reason to hold that back. Considering the North and Winterfell are at stake.

Look, I just didnt like the episode. Sorry.

Woah so you are saying that planting the heir to one major House in the hands of another. Then poisoning a valuable member of that other House while they have custody of that the heir and would hold him hostage and possibly execute him wouldn't start a war?

You're assuming that Ellaria cares at all about Trystane or the succession to House Martell. She wants revenge. She wants to Dorne to kill all the Lannisters.

If Trystane is held hostage they will be forced to act. Just like Tywin acted when Tyrion was captured. And continued to war with the Starks when Jamie was captured. Hostages are negotiating tools. There is no negotiation here. The Lannisters will want revenge. The Martell's will want Trystane. It services neither to give the other what they want. Thus war.

As far as letting Stannis know about Rickon and Bran, Jon has no idea where they are. Either one. That doesn't help Stannis. He was going to make Jon a Stark because he had him. He could use Jon.

It's fine if you didn't like it. It's just not a plothole.

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I wish I could express my disappointment with this season overall. I am an avid book fan, read this and other websites and have travelled to another state to see the show on the big screen. But all my hope has been killed. If this is how George Martin is going to end his story, well lets just say that it turned into a pretty sad tale. And the time I invested in a great story; has been wasted. :bang:


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She wants to Dorne to kill all the Lannisters.

Then why didn't she kiss/kill Jaime too? Hole.

Even if jon doesnt know where bran and Rickon are, the fact that they are ALIVE is HUGE info. Info that undermines the control that Jon's enemy, the Boltons, currently have on the north. Hole.

Why are you so against this plot hole notion. They are there if you choose to see them.

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8



It was entertaining but left me a bit underwhelmed.



Actually that can be applied to the whole season as well...


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I gave it a 9. It was a solid episode. All those 1's seem to be from people who are butthurt about "fan fiction" or Stannis. Stannis isn't really dead, and blame GRRM because he doesn't write fast enough. The episode itself had a lot of jumping around but it gave us good ending points for all of our characters and didn't feel rushed or too long or whatever. It was a good episode.


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For a while I had thought that D&D were pandering to the lowest common denominator, but after this episode I'm starting to accept that D&D ARE the LOWEST common denominators. They can't do better than this. This is them showing us their ineptitude.

5 seasons of a very popular show that is also very massive and difficult to adapt - inept? Not many people could do what they do.

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5/10. It was one huge disappointment after the two previous episodes.


The 'battle' scene was horrible. Everything was horrible. Ridiculous. Can't even find the right words to comment on it. And don't know where to start. You could simply see they wanted to do away with Stannis without putting any effort in it and in the shortest time possible. And they did. Good job. :/


And Dorne was horrible (but that's nothing new). At least it was short. Hopefully we'll only have Trystane from now on and we can pretend there was no Dorne at all.


I'm not even sure how I feel about Walk of Shame. I loved it in the book (Cersei learning a lot about herself, losing confidence, but for once winning my respect). I can't really imagine the series without it (eventually someone had to break her spirit). But was it really necessary to show her every 10 or even 5 seconds? If they change half of the plots, surely they could modify this one too. I have a strong suspicion they stuck to it just for shock value.


I still like Arya in Braavos, mostly because they don't tamper with her plot so much. If not for her, it would've been 3, because the other scenes were just average.

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I bestowed a 2 upon this offering by Benioff and Weiss. It was powerful tv but as an adaption of Asoiaf it was just no.



The fall of Stannis was handled spectacularly poorly, it was awful. For the watch was pretty poor as well, and Dorne was just a waste. Meereen was ok, and king's landing was quite good, principally because they stuck to the book there.


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Too many cliffhangers like did Stannis die? Did Jon die? Are Theon and Sansa dead?



Battle was too fast. I know the budget is limited, but they could have Stannis fight 20 men surrounding him and then Ramsay finishing him in an epic duel. And how the hell did Brienne find him on a battlefield of 1000s of dead bodies?



Like the Myrcella/Jamie embrace...until she died. The Dorne storyline is just bad. Why would Ellaria do such a thing especially after such good character development? She does know King's Landing has Maesters that can detect poison right? And right after that its going to be war and Doran is going to be pissed and possibility execute the Snakes.(who get captured rather easily)



Reek redemption good. Hope the snow was thick enough to break that fall.



Dany storyline okay. Nothing really happened besides Dorthraki.



I hope Cersei learns a lesson. I hope she doesn't become the same like order Robert Strong to kill everyone.



Jon Snow getting stabbed in books so all good. Just too much cliffhangers.



Overall 4/10.


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I give it a 5 simply because it didn't make me feel anything. It was a collection of cliffhangers at the expense of storylines and closure. Seriously, every single character ended up on a cliffhanger. Every single one! Even Stannis got himself killed off-screen which will leave fans wondering whether Brienne actually did it.

The episode was basically an hour long promo for season 6. Not a proper episode.

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Gave it a Episode a six and for the season a seven.



I understand that D/D have had to trim and take short cuts with certain characters/plots, but in some instances this season (especially with Stannis character arc, and the plot in Winterfell) it just came off stilted, or just plain silly (Dorne).



Well, now we are all (book readers and non alike) in the same boat steadily drifting through a river of uncertainty. :dunno:


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Then why didn't she kiss/kill Jaime too? Hole.

Even if jon doesnt know where bran and Rickon are, the fact that they are ALIVE is HUGE info. Info that undermines the control that Jon's enemy, the Boltons, currently have on the north. Hole.

Why are you so against this plot hole notion. They are there if you choose to see them.

A plot hole is a gap in the story that makes something else impossible. Like a character all of a sudden knowing crucial information that was never passed to them by anyone. Or something happening that should prevent another event from happening that ends up occurring anyway.

The best way for Ellaria to have her war is for Myrcella's family to be furious that she died. She wants to wipe out the Lannister legacy. Which Jamie isn't really part of anymore as a member of the Kingsguard. Jamie is the least relevant Lannister in the whole affair. Cersie, Tywin, and Tyrion were involved in the trial by combat that got Oberyn killed. Jamie wasn't. Tyrion, Cersie, Tommen, carry on the Lannister legacy. Jamie doesn't. And he would be one of the best people (along with Cersie) to push for a war and retaliation against Trystane. He could kill Trystane right on the ship with nobody knowing and it would speed up her plan immeasurably.

Jon doesn't know where his brothers are. As far as he's concerned Rickon could be anywhere. Bran is North of the Wall and has been traveling for month at the least. Stannis only wanted a Stark right there who he could use to mobilize the North immediately. He wasn't willing to wait and he said as much already. So unless they popped up at the Wall, it wasn't worth bringing up to Stannis. Meanwhile, Sansa is in the North and if he can grab her, he achieves the same ends. Which is easier. Once again no use for Bran or Rickon.

An actual plothole would have been if Stannis won the battle, Sansa was missing, and Stannis sent out a team to go North of the Wall to find Bran despite not knowing about him. That's what a real plot hole is.

You are asking why Jon didn't tell Stannis information that he wasn't going to use and at worst might put his brothers in the middle of Stannis war if he did. It serves Jon no ends. And your asking why Ellaria set up a scenario that could spark a war, that probably will spark war, under the false premise that she cares about Trystane or that Dorne wouldn't attack with Trystane with the Lannisters (which has been proven false with the Lannisters in the same situation).

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10/10



Couldn't find anything wrong with it. Great episode, only topped by Hardhome. The cliffhangers were much expected, but I was actually surprised they resolved the Winterfell battle. I most enjoyed the events that I couldn't predict, like Mel abandonning Stannis and Myrcella's death. I suppose Arya assassinating Meryn Trant was predictable, but wow, awesome! Great stuff.


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I give it a 5 simply because it didn't make me feel anything. It was a collection of cliffhangers at the expense of storylines and closure. Seriously, every single character ended up on a cliffhanger. Every single one! Even Stannis got himself killed off-screen which will leave fans wondering whether Brienne actually did it.

The episode was basically an hour long promo for season 6. Not a proper episode.

yea way too many cliffhangers. I still thought it was decent so i give it an 8.

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0/10 would not bang.



Seriously tho, Gave it a 5, but that's way too generous.


Abundantly clear D+D dont have a creative bone in their body and have 0 fucks left to give. Shock value over and over and over with no wit or substance or style.



Pros: Cersei was good in her walk of shame.



Cons: Dorne as always. Touching moment then bam shock value. Everything Stannis and Winterfell, just incredibly dumb. How did Stannis even get into the woods he was right at the front.. Daenery's scene was very meh. FTW-pretty emotionless acting from Kit Harrington, did they only shoot this once? Arya was ok I guess.


No Aegon.


No LS.


No Varys killing Kevan. Why take away an awesome scene like that and add in so much junk that they did?



Actually one more pro. An odd one too. Daario Naharis is actually one of the best characters on this show atm, guy who plays him is actually quite good I think. Weird right?

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Gave it a 3 but will probably watch again and consider the 2nd viewing.

My 2nd lowest mark after last week.

I'm invested and should continue watching in the vague hope that they can pull it back together, but season 5 has been uniformly terrible.

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I'll give it a 7. it was as good as any episode this season, but that's about it. I would say though that Cercei's walk of shame was magnificent. It would have been nice if they had done that in a different episode so that it wasn't upstaged by all of the deaths in the finale. I sort of get giving Brienne the chance to avenge Renley, but since they were clearly writing their own script on that one I would rather have seen Stannis shake his head at Queen Sylese' hanging body and then run and found and strangled Mel before facing his own end. I'm sure HBO's narrative could have handled killing her off and sliding up Moqorro or Thoros or just making up a new priestess.


Arya/ Trant was fun in a revenge porn sort of way, but I thought that they would have jumped ahead to the end of Arya's time with the god of many faces not just blinded her for her transgression. We all know that she's coming back to Westeros with Needle and a thirst for blood. So there's no point in dragging out a meaningless storyline. I really didn't like the way they left Tyrion and Varys in charge of Mereen. We know that V has an important date back at King's landing, but the whole thing was too neat and easy. Darrio and Mormont say that T+V are in charge of the city so that's what goes? Whatever.


That scene between Jamie and Marcella was starting to get creepy when her nose bled, so thank goodness for that. Still, I thought that Cercei's children were all supposed to be crowned before their deaths according to Magy. That Eleria Sand is a bloody poor loser in the TV show, Oberon made his own bed (in one of the most spectacular TV fights I've seen).


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An actual plothole would have been if Stannis won the battle, Sansa was missing, and Stannis sent out a team to go North of the Wall to find Bran despite not knowing about him. That's what a real plot hole is.

By your reasoning, I could simply make up anything to bridge events together. "Stannis found out about Bran through black magic." There, plot hole averted.

Again, the fact that bran and Rickon are alive at all is damaging to the Boltons, and therefore valuable info for Stannis. May not be what he wanted, a Stark heir under his control, but still valuable.

And the Tyrion situation isn't the same as Trystane. We know that Tywin didn't care too much about tyrion. But he went to war because of the lannister name. Maybe Ellaria doesn't care about Trystane (your assumption btw, one you need to make to prevent plot hole), but I think we can assume that Doran actually does care. You think Doran would have any issues having Ellaria arrested and sent to the Lannisters in exchange? But then again, you probably will just argue that Doran hates Trystane too to mitigate the hole.

But fine, I'll just concede that using the term "hole" isn't technically proper, by your definition, since it seems to be so important to you. I will NOT concede the fact that the characters in the show often seem to operate in illogical ways. And unlike you, I'm not going through any great lengths to justify the show runners' sloppiness by inventing things so their silly story makes sense.

I do however appreciate you discussing this in a civilized way and not dropping F bombs like you did in your first response to me.

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