LmL Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Careful now... The sansanistas will not be happy. But at risk of provoking them, I believe the lemon tree and the lemon cakes spell bitterness and disappointment for both Sansa and Daenerys. Perhaps being in power is a disappointment. Many seem to think so... Robert hated it. I think of the times when Dany thins of living a simple life, and that she could be happy, but because she is the last blood of the dragon, she has a duty. It would make sense for her to find power bittersweet, at best. And if Sansa's gobbles up everything Petyr serves up, she will be tasting disappointment for sure. The lemon cake as a dual edged metaphor works very well in Sansa's case, and Dany's as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Perhaps being in power is a disappointment. Many seem to think so... Robert hated it. I think of the times when Dany thins of living a simple life, and that she could be happy, but because she is the last blood of the dragon, she has a duty. It would make sense for her to find power bittersweet, at best. And if Sansa's gobbles up everything Petyr serves up, she will be tasting disappointment for sure. The lemon cake as a dual edged metaphor works very well in Sansa's case, and Dany's as well. Perhaps . . . But I suspect Daenerys will die. She must if the special snowflake is going to ride Drogon. And it her death will follow three treasons: Illyrio for the blood of House Blackfyre, Tyrion and/or Brown Ben for all the gold of Casterly Rock, and Aegon for love of Arianne or maybe Sansa. I believe the plot demands a reckoning between Sansa and her little sister. I suspect Aya, not Sansa, is the maid that will slay Petyr, the savage giant. Somewhere in there, Sansa will know further bitterness and disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ned's Little Girl Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Excellent sleuthing, Lost Melnibonean! :bowdown: Or, should I say "Sherlock Melnibonean"? :cheers: I think this is way more interesting than Dany being a changeling. The whole "she's not who she's been led to believe she is" always struck me as wishful thinking or plot-twist for the sake of plot-twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Oh, fuck me, not this again! And I thought nothing could be as bad as the Mance is Rhaegar non-sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The maester at the library said, "Oh, you're one of those Game of Thones people..."Aegon died his hair in honor of his Tyroshi mum.Hahahaha.... There's no reason to abandon the possible Tyrosh plot line during the Second Dance of the Dragons. But the move may have been required to advance some plotline involving Braavos at which we can only guess at this point.Possibly as a reason for Dany's campaign against slavery...? Braavos has no slaves. I assure you, the change from Tyrosh in July 1996 to Braavos in August 1996 is true. I have a copy of the pages from Asimov's Sience Fiction July 1996, obtained from my county library through an inter library loan.Jealous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LmL Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Perhaps . . . But I suspect Daenerys will die. She must if the special snowflake is going to ride Drogon. And it her death will follow three treasons: Illyrio for the blood of House Blackfyre, Tyrion and/or Brown Ben for all the gold of Casterly Rock, and Aegon for love of Arianne or maybe Sansa.I believe the plot demands a reckoning between Sansa and her little sister. I suspect Aya, not Sansa, is the maid that will slay Petyr, the savage giant. Somewhere in there, Sansa will know further bitterness and disappointment. I don't think Jon will ride Drogon. It's Ice Dragon or nothing for him, IMO. but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hahahaha.... Possibly as a reason for Dany's campaign against slavery...? Braavos has no slaves. Jealous...She really did say that. Don't be jealous, I just have a digital image of the pages from the magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 A search will get you the elaborate threads, but the short version is Dany never lived in Bravos because there's no way a lemon tree could grow there. The speculation is that she was unknowingly in Dorne the whole time. A theory that has so many holes it's not even funny. I kind of like that spelled backwards its says noMEL. At this point, that would satisfy me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 I don't think Jon will ride Drogon. It's Ice Dragon or nothing for him, IMO. but who knows. Only The George. Oh, and maybe those dudes writing the fan fiction for HBO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrettyPig Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I do like the reinterpretation of the lemon - I'm sure that if someone more productive than me were to go through the text and find all mentions of lemons, shortly after there would follow a turn of events that brings disappointment/a 'soured' turn of events. Sansa having lemoncakes with Olenna Tyrell and thinking she'll escape to Highgarden only to learn that she's to marry Tyrion comes to mind. That being said, I also believe that GRRM deliberately made the change to Braavos, but also deliberately left in the bit about Dany being "outed" as Tyroshi. Add in all the other odd and seemingly random connections to Tyrosh - the brother of the Archon, the Archon's daughter swimming at the Water Gardens, Arianne planned to be Archon's cupbearer, Aegon's backstory, Daario (especially Daario!) - and I believe The George is working up to something more than a fruit metaphor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avlonnic Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 <snip>Now, I had read that the original published version differed from Game, so I set about to find the original publication. Armed with a smart phone, I questioned Google sharply to obtain all the necessary information. Then, the eRavens flew back and forth between a maester at my local county library and other maesters throughout the realm, until we had discovered the scroll, which was lost these past 19 years. I have seen it with mine own eyes, and I can attest to it's authenticity.<snip>Excellent work, Detective OP. Extra points for providing all of the necessary back up as well as delivering your tale so cleverly in Martinish...his writing is contagious, in addition to being addictive. Well done! ETA: So you went to all this work and effectively uncovered a lost Targaryen scroll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avlonnic Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 And if Sansa's gobbles up everything Petyr serves up, she will be tasting disappointment for sure. The lemon cake as a dual edged metaphor works very well in Sansa's case, and Dany's as well. Exactly what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtrGbln Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The way you phrased everything is silly it really makes it hard to take you seriously. Give it a rest already lemon troofers no one buys this and theres a good reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alequo Adarys Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The way you phrased everything is silly it really makes it hard to take you seriously. Give it a rest already lemon troofers no one buys this and theres a good reason why. I can't take this guy seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Okay. I came up with a way to excuse this typo using in-world rationalizing: she moved so often as a kid that she got sick of it and began wanting to remain in the red-door house, so she mentally went back there and kept "living" in the red-door house in her mind while in Braavos, even though they'd really left that house behind in Tyrosh. And she still wants to live there for a few minutes per day to escape the demands of being queen, so in a way the lemon house has followed her to Meereen too. Some kind of set-up is underway here for Sansa to make lemonade out of Daenerys. That's my bet. does Pay-Pal allow wagering with a 10 year delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePromiseThatWasAPrince Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'm going to file this under my list of things that won't matter until it is definitively clarified. Like Sansa's "kiss" from the hound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 I do like the reinterpretation of the lemon - I'm sure that if someone more productive than me were to go through the text and find all mentions of lemons, shortly after there would follow a turn of events that brings disappointment/a 'soured' turn of events. Sansa having lemoncakes with Olenna Tyrell and thinking she'll escape to Highgarden only to learn that she's to marry Tyrion comes to mind. That being said, I also believe that GRRM deliberately made the change to Braavos, but also deliberately left in the bit about Dany being "outed" as Tyroshi. Add in all the other odd and seemingly random connections to Tyrosh - the brother of the Archon, the Archon's daughter swimming at the Water Gardens, Arianne planned to be Archon's cupbearer, Aegon's backstory, Daario (especially Daario!) - and I believe The George is working up to something more than a fruit metaphor.In Sansa I, Game 15, she was looking forward to lemon cakes in the queen's wheelhouse, but her day ended with her prince's loathing and contempt. Samwell's early childhood went from snitching lemon cakes to contempt, abuse, and banishment by his father. In Sansa II, Game 29, Sansa went from enjoying lemon cakes with Joffrey at the feast following the first day of jousting to being escorted back to her cell by the Hound. In Sansa III, Game 44, Sansa and Jeyne (poor Jeyne) looked for lemon cakes in the kitchen, but at the end of the chapter learned her father was sending back to Winterfell. In Arya V, Game 65, Arya offered to trade a fat pigeon for a lemon, but ened up at her father's execution. Jeor Mormont drank lemon in his beer every day. He still had his own teeth but his men mutinied and murdered him. At Bitterbridge, Renly's bannermen feasted on lemon cakes. Of course, Renly's campaign ened shortly thereafter. As Davos sailed with Stannis's fleet into Blackwater Bay, he observed Aegon's High Hill, dark against a lemon sky. That's an odd description for a sky, no? As Davos turned downstream, the mouth of the Blackwater Rush had turned into the mouth of hell. You referred to Sansa sharing lemon cakes with the Tyrells before being forced to wed the imp. And Lem Lemoncloak just reeks of bitterness and disappointment.I am glad iI'm not associated with House Dalt of Lemonwood. At Edmure's wedding feast Catelyn noted that Ryman Frey had bathed in lemon water but failed to mask his sour sweat, and that Roose smelled sweeter but no more pleasant. The Feast did not end on a happy note. At Joffrey's wedding feast Tyrion had a slice of pigeon pie covered with a spoon of lemon cream. A few paragraphs later he stood accused of regicide. Doran's Water Gardens smell of lemons and blood oranges. Anybody think Dorne is going end up happy with their blood and fire? Cersei drank lemon water so tart she had to spit it out the morning she learned that Tyrion had murdered their father. In The Queenmaker, Arianne noticed that Darkstar preferred lemon water to summer wine, and she served lemonsweet to Myrcella before Darkstar cut off Myrcella's ear amidst lemon orchards watered by a spider's web of old canals. Stannis enjoys boiled eggs and lemon water for breakfast, and, well, I think we all know his end will be bitter and disappointing. I only got a few chapters into Dance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Excellent work, Detective OP. Extra points for providing all of the necessary back up as well as delivering your tale so cleverly in Martinish...his writing is contagious, in addition to being addictive. Well done! ETA: So you went to all this work and effectively uncovered a lost Targaryen scroll...I'm going to ransom it to the Reader. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 The way you phrased everything is silly it really makes it hard to take you seriously. Give it a rest already lemon troofers no one buys this and theres a good reason why.You've been eating lemon cakes, haven't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Okay. I came up with a way to excuse this typo using in-world rationalizing: she moved so often as a kid that she got sick of it and began wanting to remain in the red-door house, so she mentally went back there and kept "living" in the red-door house in her mind while in Braavos, even though they'd really left that house behind in Tyrosh. And she still wants to live there for a few minutes per day to escape the demands of being queen, so in a way the lemon house has followed her to Meereen too. Some kind of set-up is underway here for Sansa to make lemonade out of Daenerys. That's my bet. does Pay-Pal allow wagering with a 10 year delay?Only with a 10-copper minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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