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Hello my name is Eire, and I am new here. I have read GOT 1-4 and have started on book 5.

I wanted to post on this topic to write about the white walkers, and my opinion on seeing them in a kingdom with a king, (or priest) after picking up the baby.

This is just me speculating, so bear with me, and not everyone has to agree: Rather than have a white walker kingdom with a king, and so on, I always thought the white walkers were something more primitive. The white walkers are NOT human; anatomically they have humanoid features (except their exterior integumentay system) , but they are not humans. I always thought that the whitewalkers were more primitive in nature and acted similar in some ways to an undomesticated animal. Although, you can think of them as a pack , or a pride, and they seem to have an animal mentality versus the way a human psyche does. They do not seem to have an alpha , beta, omega, gamma , or zeta like a pack does, but psychology wise they are animals as they lack : mercy, and bliss that makes a human. Instead for the others these emotions are replaced with insticts that weigh heavily on dominance , and submissiveness. An example of this episode was the first season of the first episode when they let that guy go because he submitted. The white walkers understand/or sense that humans are different in their way of thinking , and so they exploit it , by acting on their fear.While the show may want to make them have a king, a city, and a palace is up to the show and G.R. martin,( and it is okay for them to put that there) but I think it is comparing them too much to the other houses of Westeros by doing it that way.

Tell me what you think please, I welcome all comments. I love the whitewalkers they are mysterious, and evil, - and I love it. I liked the entire episode and everything that we learned about the whitewalkers from it. Until I saw a kingdom , and a ruler- like they can have a god and a king, but I hope the show/books remembers they are not humans, and not to make them too general, and less mysterious, otherwise everything would feel very anticlamatic :bang:

(Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place.)

Welcome aboard!

I'm not sure we've witnessed enough Other to Other interaction to really have a sense of their social structure. Additionally, non-human species exhibit a wide variety of command and control systems, and even just pure communication.

There are elements which suggest a sub-human strain...the Wildlings seem to have surmounted the issue of the Wall in a way the Others presumably have not, but unknowables so like magic might be at play there. On the other hand, GRRM gas postulated hypothetical questions about their society which might suggest that they are at least comparable to humans in terms of motivation and organization. The good news for you is that the next book or 3 are probably going to include a lot more exploration of them than we've seen so far.

Cheers for sharing, and enjoy the boards.

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(Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place.)

Hello Eire, welcome to the forum!

You have started with a splash, thank you for that.

There is a caveat: the forum is full of spoilers, so if you want to be fully unspoiledly engrossed in GRRM stuff, go on reading until you are finished. Read ADwD at the least, if you feel funky, you can read ADwD and re-read AFfC in the order that things happen by help of this thingy: http://boiledleather.com/post/25902554148/a-new-reader-friendly-combined-reading-order-for-a

There are a few more sources, the Dunk and Egg stories, The Rogue Prince and The Princess and The Queen that are historical World of Ice and Fire stories, but they do not contain stuff about the Others.

Then there is what GRRM has said about them, in the SSMs. There we learn, what you may see if you re-read the prologue of A Game of Thrones once more. They are civilised, use language, play with the rangers before they fight, they laugh...

While they are not human, they come with a number of human features, they definitely use swords, although not made of any metal known to the Westerosi, they range in groups.

And unlike in the show, they do not necessarily steal babies. We do not learn, in the book, who it actiually is that steals off with Craster's son. Maybe an Other, may well be, or may be something else.

There are numerous threads about the Others, have a look what's there, but maybe you'd rather want to read ADwD before you delve into despoiled discussions.

edited to add: A few of us here imagine, that there may possibly only be a very small number of Others around, maybe less than a dozen. How many Others have been appearing in the books? ;-)

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Hello my name is Eire, and I am new here. I have read GOT 1-4 and have started on book 5.

I wanted to post on this topic to write about the white walkers, and my opinion on seeing them in a kingdom with a king, (or priest) after picking up the baby.

This is just me speculating, so bear with me, and not everyone has to agree: Rather than have a white walker kingdom with a king, and so on, I always thought the white walkers were something more primitive. The white walkers are NOT human; anatomically they have humanoid features (except their exterior integumentay system) , but they are not humans. I always thought that the whitewalkers were more primitive in nature and acted similar in some ways to an undomesticated animal. Although, you can think of them as a pack , or a pride, and they seem to have an animal mentality versus the way a human psyche does. They do not seem to have an alpha , beta, omega, gamma , or zeta like a pack does, but psychology wise they are animals as they lack : mercy, and bliss that makes a human. Instead for the others these emotions are replaced with insticts that weigh heavily on dominance , and submissiveness. An example of this episode was the first season of the first episode when they let that guy go because he submitted. The white walkers understand/or sense that humans are different in their way of thinking , and so they exploit it , by acting on their fear.While the show may want to make them have a king, a city, and a palace is up to the show and G.R. martin,( and it is okay for them to put that there) but I think it is comparing them too much to the other houses of Westeros by doing it that way.

Tell me what you think please, I welcome all comments. I love the whitewalkers they are mysterious, and evil, - and I love it. I liked the entire episode and everything that we learned about the whitewalkers from it. Until I saw a kingdom , and a ruler- like they can have a god and a king, but I hope the show/books remembers they are not humans, and not to make them too general, and less mysterious, otherwise everything would feel very anticlamatic :bang:

(Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place.)

Hi Eire, welcome to Westeros! :cheers:

Interesting post!

Some suggestions:

- I agree with Jon Weirgaryen that you ought to read ADWD before going too far into Westeros - there will be spoilers. However, most of what you discuss is from the show only - does not appear in any book so far. Allegedly, D&D, the show's producers have talked to George Martin about what's coming, so there is or will be some support in the books for what they are showing you on TV.

- you might read this article about the Others/White Walkers from the Wiki of Ice and Fire, I think it answers some of your points: Wiki on the Others/White Walkers

- you could post this as a new topic on the TV show forum. You'll get a wider audience and people there may be able to point you toward sources and hypotheses to consider. forum for TV show related topics

- have fun! :)

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Hi!! My name is Griffin and, obviously, I'm new. I wanted to start here so maybe some people could help me find a little bit more of what I'm looking for. Two things mostly: theories, theories, theories. I have read through all of the books but none of the released WoW chapters, so I would love to get my hands on more speculative material. Also, it's sort of become an obsession, all things SanSan: Fics, theories, facts, anything.



If you have any ideas on where to go, that would much appreciated!! I'm happy to be here and thank you in advance!


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Hi!! My name is Griffin and, obviously, I'm new. I wanted to start here so maybe some people could help me find a little bit more of what I'm looking for. Two things mostly: theories, theories, theories. I have read through all of the books but none of the released WoW chapters, so I would love to get my hands on more speculative material. Also, it's sort of become an obsession, all things SanSan: Fics, theories, facts, anything.

If you have any ideas on where to go, that would much appreciated!! I'm happy to be here and thank you in advance!

Welcome, griffinmartell, to the boards! :cheers:

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Hi!! My name is Griffin and, obviously, I'm new. I wanted to start here so maybe some people could help me find a little bit more of what I'm looking for. Two things mostly: theories, theories, theories. I have read through all of the books but none of the released WoW chapters, so I would love to get my hands on more speculative material. Also, it's sort of become an obsession, all things SanSan: Fics, theories, facts, anything.

If you have any ideas on where to go, that would much appreciated!! I'm happy to be here and thank you in advance!

Welcome, you've found the right place :cheers:

If you're looking for a special topic, try this link and add the name of your required topic. But fanfiction is not allowed here ;)

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This forum password bug is killin me. lol. Made a new account because can't get into the e-mail address I originally used. Posting here since you need at least 1 post to use personal messenger.

Glad to be back. :cheers:

Welcome back :cheers: please try to contact Ran, he might help you there :)

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No idea where to write this....but..."Rhubarb!" See, see, I told you it was me...My silly little chickadee! ha! Now you need to pay up.... next year will do just fine! Thanks for waiting...♥

Huh?

Anyway, welcome. :cheers:

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Hi everyone! I'm Lowri, a 22 year old from Wales. I've finally finished A Dance with Dragons, so I'm looking forward to all the discussion and speculation about future books that I'm certain I'll find in abundance on this forum :)


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