Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Catelyn wouldn't necessarily know that would she? From what I recall, an official offer of marriage was never made, though it was certainly something Tywin was trying to achieve Hoster had been invited to KL, though. And Cersei had been aware of arrangements. So wouldn't she at least know something? Especially if the failed betrothal was why the Tully's did not go to Harrenhal months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 LM, one for you.As Lord Eddard passed beneath the King's Gate into the stink of the city, his grey and white cloak streaming from his shoulders, he saw eyes everywhere and kicked his mount into a trot, Ned is on his way from the Tower of the Hand to Tobho Mott's shop on the Street of Steel, yet the King's Gate, which he passes, is, according to the Lands of Ice and Fire, nowhere on route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The TotH is in the Red Keep which is separate from Kings Landing proper. The primary entry and exit of the Red Keep is a large barbican/gatehouse (shaped like a square tower with a passage through the middle) which has double gates (outer and inner) and a portcullis. Maybe they call it the Kings Gate (as part of the Red Keep), the outer courtyard where the stables are, is right there. The outside part (in KL) is a large cobblestone square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The TotH is in the Red Keep which is separate from Kings Landing proper. The primary entry and exit of the Red Keep is a large barbican/gatehouse (shaped like a square tower with a passage through the middle) which has double gates (outer and inner) and a portcullis. Maybe they call it the Kings Gate (as part of the Red Keep), the outer courtyard where the stables are, is right there. The outside part (in KL) is a large cobblestone square.Maybe... or maybe that's where Sandor and Anguy lost tens of thousands of gold dragons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Right back atcha R_T, "Still, the island suited me well enough, and I never lacked for women. I had my share of fishwives and crofter's daughters, before and after I was wed. I married young, to a bride of my father's choosing, a Glover of Deepwood Motte. Ten years we were wed, or near enough as makes no matter. She was a plain-faced woman, but not unkind. I suppose I came to love her after a fashion, though our relations were dutiful rather than passionate. Three times she miscarried while trying to give me an heir. The last time she never recovered. She died not long after." Dany put her hand on his and gave his fingers a squeeze. "I am sorry for you, truly." Ser Jorah nodded. "By then my father had taken the black, so I was Lord of Bear Island in my own right. I had no lack of marriage offers, but before I could reach a decision Lord Balon Greyjoy rose in rebellion against the Usurper, and Ned Stark called his banners to help his friend Robert. The final battle was on Pyke. When Robert's stonethrowers opened a breach in King Balon's wall, a priest from Myr was the first man through, but I was not far behind. For that I won my knighthood. "To celebrate his victory, Robert ordained that a tourney should be held outside Lannisport. It was there I saw Lynesse, a maid half my age. She had come up from Oldtown with her father to see her brothers joust. I could not take my eyes off her. In a fit of madness, I begged her favor to wear in the tourney, never dreaming she would grant my request, yet she did.Daenerys I, Clash 12 We know for a certainty that Lady Mormont from House Glover died before the Greyjoy Rebellion in 289. And given that Jorah was considering marriage offers when the Ned called his banners, we should assume that she died in 287 and 288. That means that Jorah was wed in 277 or 278, at the age of 23 or 24, which is very reasonable, given that Jorah had slept with a number of women before he was wed. That means that Jeor joined the Nights Watch between 278 and 288 (and we know he was chosen Lord Commander in 288), and we know that Roberts Rebellion was fought in 282 and 283. We know Roberts Rebellion was fought in during 282 to 283. We could assume that Jeor was impressed enough with his sons abilities following that war to take the black, in 284 or 285.Lord Mormont had spent a good part of his life on the Wall, and he needed to believe if those years were to have any meaning.Tyrion III, Game 21 Tyrion thought that in 298. Since Jeor was 68 at this point, would 14 years be enough to satisfy that context of Tyrions thoughts? (We know it certainly could not have been more than two decades since Jeor arranged Jorahs first marriage about 20 years earlier.) Anybody else know any passages that might hint at when Jeor took the black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 And another question... I just noticed that Jorah borrowed heavily from the money-lenders in Braavos. Do you think he owes the Iron Bank? While he kept Lynese in Lys, Jorah fought as a sellsword against Braavos on the Rhoyne. Do we know anything more about this military conflict or the combatants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 Right back atcha R_T, Daenerys I, Clash 12 We know for a certainty that Lady Mormont from House Glover died before the Greyjoy Rebellion in 289. And given that Jorah was considering marriage offers when the Ned called his banners, we should assume that she died in 287 and 288. That means that Jorah was wed in 277 or 278, at the age of 23 or 24, which is very reasonable, given that Jorah had slept with a number of women before he was wed. That means that Jeor joined the Nights Watch between 278 and 288 (and we know he was chosen Lord Commander in 288), and we know that Roberts Rebellion was fought in 282 and 283. We know Roberts Rebellion was fought in during 282 to 283. We could assume that Jeor was impressed enough with his sons abilities following that war to take the black, in 284 or 285. Tyrion III, Game 21 Tyrion thought that in 298. Since Jeor was 68 at this point, would 14 years be enough to satisfy that context of Tyrions thoughts? (We know it certainly could not have been more than two decades since Jeor arranged Jorahs first marriage about 20 years earlier.) Anybody else know any passages that might hint at when Jeor took the black? Jorah says he married young.. if 25-ish is considered normal in Westeros, it is a suggestion that Jorah married at a younger age. Perhaps more years passed between Lady Glovers death and meeting Lynesse. We have discussed this before in the wiki thread, I recall, and this quote made us conclude that the chances are high he had joined before the Rebellion:"Ser Alliser is an anointed knight, one of the few to take the black since I have been Lord Commander. He fought bravely at King's Landing." "since I have been LC" is wrong, as we know Qorgyle was LC at that time. But if Jeor means "since I have taken the black", it would indicate he had joined before the Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Jorah says he married young.. if 25-ish is considered normal in Westeros, it is a suggestion that Jorah married at a younger age. Perhaps more years passed between Lady Glovers death and meeting Lynesse. We have discussed this before in the wiki thread, I recall, and this quote made us conclude that the chances are high he had joined before the Rebellion:"Ser Alliser is an anointed knight, one of the few to take the black since I have been Lord Commander. He fought bravely at King's Landing.""since I have been LC" is wrong, as we know Qorgyle was LC at that time. But if Jeor means "since I have taken the black", it would indicate he had joined before the Rebellion.Or they could have taken the black at the same time. Pure speculation but perhaps Jeor escorted the defeated Targaryen men to Eastwatch from King's Landing... Oh and if Jorah didn't have time to consider marriage offers when Greyjoy rebelled the Glover gal couldna been dead mor'n two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 And another question... I just noticed that Jorah borrowed heavily from the money-lenders in Braavos. Do you think he owes the Iron Bank? Would that be a personal debt, or would the debt have been incurred by the lordship of Bear Island? We have a Mormont with an Iron Banker in Stannis' camp, and nothing comes up (that I remember), so I doubt it's significant either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ^Mormont had already been disowned at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 ^Mormont had already been disowned at that point.No. It was before..."I lived for her smiles, so I sent all the way to Oldtown for a new cook, and brought a harper from Lannisport. Goldsmiths, jewelers, dressmakers, whatever she wanted I found for her, but it was never enough. Bear Island is rich in bears and trees, and poor in aught else. I built a fine ship for her and we sailed to Lannisport and Oldtown for festivals and fairs, and once even to Braavos, where I borrowed heavily from the money-lenders. It was as a tourney champion that I had won her hand and heart, so I entered other tourneys for her sake, but the magic was gone. I never distinguished myself again, and each defeat meant the loss of another charger and another suit of jousting armor, which must needs be ransomed or replaced. The cost could not be borne. Finally I insisted we return home, but there matters soon grew even worse than before. I could no longer pay the cook and the harper, and Lynesse grew wild when I spoke of pawning her jewels. "The rest . . . I did things it shames me to speak of. For gold. So Lynesse might keep her jewels, her harper, and her cook. In the end it cost me all. When I heard that Eddard Stark was coming to Bear Island, I was so lost to honor that rather than stay and face his judgment, I took her with me into exile. Nothing mattered but our love, I told myself. We fled to Lys, where I sold my ship for gold to keep us."Daenerys I, Clash 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twikee Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 PLEASE ANYONE OUT THERE. Why did Wyman say his liege lord is rickon? his liege lord IS bran. and Wex saw both bran and rickon. even if he didn't know who is who, he could have said the small boy went this way, the larger boy that way. So naturally, if Wyman wanted his liege lord, he should have sent Davos after bran. So why did Wyman say his liege lord is rickon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 PLEASE ANYONE OUT THERE. Why did Wyman say his liege lord is rickon? his liege lord IS bran. and Wex saw both bran and rickon. even if he didn't know who is who, he could have said the small boy went this way, the larger boy that way. So naturally, if Wyman wanted his liege lord, he should have sent Davos after bran. So why did Wyman say his liege lord is rickon? Bran is broken and in an unknown location. Rickon has the potential to continue the Stark line, and they apparently have a general idea where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twikee Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Okay thank you :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Naufragus Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Who gets Longclaw now that John is Dead? Jorah, One of the she-bears, Bran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Well we don't know for sure that Jon is dead. Even if he is, it seems unlikely that he will stay dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Naufragus Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Well we don't know for sure that Jon is dead. Even if he is, it seems unlikely that he will stay dead.well lets pretend he dies, who gets the sword? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 well lets pretend he dies, who gets the sword? Probably whoever decides to take it for themself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 well lets pretend he dies, who gets the sword? Most likely the armory in castle black (it was given to a brother) or some Mormont (if the gift could be successfully contested). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 I suppose it would be returned to Bear Island, if no one forcefully claims it at Castle Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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