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2015 Emmys (aka the Maslany awards)


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In Emilia's defense, she hasn't had much to work with these last I dunno, FOUR seasons.

Yeah, I agree. She was good in season one and she delivered the few worthy moments in her scripts (mainly the Sack of Astapor). She's hardly  the Mads Mikkelsen of actresses, but she's decent enough. The writing is just so mediocre.

 

 

Veltigar, I like you, but we won't stay friends if you compare Arrow and Daredevil :)

Hey, at least Arrow made me want to work out :P Those salmon ladder pull-ups were just beastly.

 

 

I can understand not liking it, but I don't see how you can call that drivel, and then with a straight face say that Hannibal deserves an Emmy.

Maybe because it had the most artistic merit. Although, come to think of it, class and quality are probably detrimental to winning an Emmy if you look at their list for nominees.

 

 

Yeah I agree with the smooth Belgian on this topic, comic book shows set a pretty low bar.

:cheers: EDIT: You know if I ever get around to making a Jazz album, this seems like a great title :D

 

EDIT2: I'll have to learn how to play an instrument of course (how about Jazz flute)

 

 

Hannibal is not eligible this year, but should have gotten all the nominations last year.

:bowdown: Preach my good man!

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We're too far apart to make the discussion worthwhile, but saying the entire cast was bad is ridiculous. Lena Headey especially was fantastic this year.

 

I am sorry, but it is not ridiculous. I have had hard time buying half the things... Between Dorne and KL, I can't even pick who was worse... Not to mention that certain idiot can cast Alexander Siddig and then let him be part of THAT storyline. Heady had its moments, but again, we are speaking about moments... In a very long season...

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Hey, at least Arrow made me want to work out :P Those salmon ladder pull-ups were just beastly.

 

I will not listen to this foul language... I demand a trial by combat :)

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I am sorry, but it is not ridiculous. I have had hard time buying half the things... Between Dorne and KL, I can't even pick who was worse... Not to mention that certain idiot can cast Alexander Siddig and then let him be part of THAT storyline. Heady had its moments, but again, we are speaking about moments... In a very long season...

Stephen Dillane was fantastic all season, I fail to see what Dorne or KL have to do with that. You said the "entire cast" wasn't even trying, that's completely untrue. I understand people (myself included) having problems with the writing on the show, but there's plenty of good/great performances.
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You're the one who said it was the same as Arrow, I was just going with that comparison and saying that it was better than Arrow and the rest. Not that comic book shows are some standard to hold all entertainment by. I agree that most of them are pretty terrible.

cough cough *all of them* :dunno:

 

As was Dillane,

If only the writing was as good as Dillane's performance :crying: My God, GoT would be the best show ever!

 

 

I will not listen to this foul language... I demand a trial by combat :)

You know, after all those salmon ladder pull-ups Arrow inspired me to do, I will be able to break you like a twig :p

 

LOL, no... But, even for a regular TV show, it was more than solid.

:cool4: This is exactly how I would have described my stool this morning :p Makes you think ha? :p

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If only the writing was as good as Dillane's performance :crying: My God, GoT would be the best show ever!

I am not kidding here, there are seriously some days where I wake up thinking that 'battle for Winterfell' was just a dream. I have NEVER seen a more anticlimactic battle, in the context of the build-up.

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I am not kidding here, there are seriously some days where I wake up thinking that 'battle for Winterfell' was just a dream. I have NEVER seen a more anticlimactic battle, in the context of the build-up.


We've just been spoiled since Blackwater. I remember when the show first started that I didn't think we'd even get a battle, or if we did it would be a terrible CG affair like Spartacus. But when they do their big battles they try to do them well (with some exceptions, ahem, Bran vs skeleton monsters).

I think, regardless of what they say in interviews of having the budget go do what they want, they didn't have the budget or time for this battle. But I thought it was still a great episode. Loved the Walk of Shame, Stannis' total downfall, Theon and Sansa finally finding their courage, Arya going crazy and brutally doing away with Trant, Tyrion and Varys reunited as the ultimate duo, and of course Jon's demise. Really liked that episode.
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I am not kidding here, there are seriously some days where I wake up thinking that 'battle for Winterfell' was just a dream. I have NEVER seen a more anticlimactic battle, in the context of the build-up.

 

My dream is to be wealthy enough within five to ten years, so I can rehire the cast and crew of Game of Thrones to recreate the real Battle of Winterfell. Including the build-up with Ser Justin Massey, Lord Wyman Manderly, Asha Greyjoy, Tycho Brahe, and Lady Barbrey Dustin. Also Live!Shireen.

 

ETA: Also Davos and Frey Pies!! You know, I'll just make the entire plot in the North from Dance.

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Wonderful film, shame about the sequel.

Don't get me started on that one. I hate it with a fiery passion for the blatant cash grab it was. I'm so glad that I didn't pay to see it. Heck, I'd rather burn my money and get the time back I lost on it.

 

 

What is it exactly that so charmed you with Hannibal? The overly purple dialogue? Will Graham's grounded deductive abilities being reduced to "magic empathy"? Or Lecter's transformation from a witty and dangerous human predator to an omnipotent, superhuman psychopath?

 

The cinemotography was pretty impressive, I'll grant you, and the acting was decent. But damn the writing is just so bad that it casts a cloud over everything else.

The writing isn't bad, as a matter of fact it is quite brilliant. There is a world of difference with mere purple prose. The dialogue is in fact intentionally pretentious.  Same as the cinematography really. It's gorgeous, but it's also intentionally florid and over-the-top. The entire series is permeated by this opulence. It's the shows aesthetic and it does an absolute superb job with it. In fact, when it comes down to developing a complete and utterly distinctive aesthetic, there is no other show on TV that reaches the pinnacle of style set by Hannibal. The only thing that comes close to being as visually arresting is True Detective's first season, where the Louisiana bayou was just as much a character as the McConnaissance and Harrelson.

 

Furthermore, for all those amongst us who have lost hope in adaptations after suffering through GoT, The Hobbit trilogy and other such train wrecks, Hannibal is there to show us that in competent hands, an adaptation (even a particularly bold and free-wheeling one like Hannibal) can be a wonderful thing. Brian Fuller and his team have worked wonders, mixing novels and earlier adaptations up, updating them and infusing them with their own witticisms and sadistic delight. They have offered up a fine smorgasbord of the crème de la crème of Thomas Harris's sordid world and sifted out the asinine developments (Hannibal Rises for instance), making their version much more layered than any previous take on the character.

 

Add to that that Hannibal has one of the most distinguished casts on television. Hugh Dancy, Michael Pitt, Laurence Fishburne, Caroline D'Havermas, Eddie Izzard and Raúl Esparza to name a couple of regulars are all great. Note that I haven't even addressed the elephant in the room: the devastatingly magnificent Mads Mikkelsen. He's not just the best actor on Hannibal, he's one of the greatest actors living today and he delivers in spades on Hannibal. 

 

His take is the definitive Hannibal. Gone are the days that Anthony Hopkins, giving of serious pedovibes could placate the masses. Now we have this take on the character which so far eclipses not just other adaptations, but also the source material! The writing, the acting and the great production values (those suits  :drool: ) it all comes together to weave a Hannibal who fits right into the dreamlike atmosphere of the show. In this heightened reality, Hannibal isn't just a man, he's Lucifer incarnate. The ultimate seducer and corrupter of men. He's slick, smooth, convincing and utterly without mercy. 

 

Finally, there are two things left to be noted. Firstly, this show is light-years ahead of any other show when it comes down to style. Again, this feeds in to the whole aesthetic, but Hannibal has the best costumes and sets on TV, which is damn impressive when you look at the competitors in the field, who have way more cash to blow. Secondly, this is a show on NBC for crying out loud. It has to work within confines set-out by narrow-minded network apparatchiks. This show shouldn't be able to exist and it has no right being as terrific as it is. The why and how of this show's existence is nothing less than one of the great questions of the modern age.

 

 

 EDIT:  The magic empathy is stupid I'll give you that, luckily the writers dropped it almost completely in the second and third season.

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We've just been spoiled since Blackwater. I remember when the show first started that I didn't think we'd even get a battle, or if we did it would be a terrible CG affair like Spartacus. But when they do their big battles they try to do them well (with some exceptions, ahem, Bran vs skeleton monsters).

I think, regardless of what they say in interviews of having the budget go do what they want, they didn't have the budget or time for this battle. But I thought it was still a great episode. Loved the Walk of Shame, Stannis' total downfall, Theon and Sansa finally finding their courage, Arya going crazy and brutally doing away with Trant, Tyrion and Varys reunited as the ultimate duo, and of course Jon's demise. Really liked that episode.

Look if you don't have the budget, fine, but this battle was literally built up from episode 1 to the last. Stannis told JOn about his plans for Roose in the very first episode, Davos points out the costs of the march and how dire the situation is, Mel tells Stannis he has to sacrifice Shireen, Stannis actually sacrifices her and then the 'battle' happens.

 

That's not us being spoiled, that's just....redonkulous.

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I am not kidding here, there are seriously some days where I wake up thinking that 'battle for Winterfell' was just a dream nightmare. I have NEVER seen a more anticlimactic battle, in the context of the build-up.

Fixed that for you Red ;) I do fully agree with your point though

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Look if you don't have the budget, fine, but this battle was literally built up from episode 1 to the last. Stannis told JOn about his plans for Roose in the very first episode, Davos points out the costs of the march and how dire the situation is, Mel tells Stannis he has to sacrifice Shireen, Stannis actually sacrifices her and then the 'battle' happens.

 

That's not us being spoiled, that's just....redonkulous.

:agree: I think it all comes down to: "if you can't walk the walk don't talk the talk" GoT didn't just cross that line with the Battle of Winterfell. They obliterated it and then proceeded to defecate on the line's dead body while the line's grieving family was standing right there.

 

 

Oh man, that South Park episode :lmao:

 

Which leads me to another 'rape'-themed episode

 

Cartman:"Mom, can you at least buy me dinner, before you FUCK ME?!!"

Both pretty much sum up my feelings about GoT at this point :crying:

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Can anyone tell me a bit about Bloodline?

I see both the lead actor and supporting actor are nominated.

I haven't seen Bloodline yet myself but Ben Mendelsohn is a terrific actor. Him earning an acting accolade is definitely not surprising at all. In fact, just last year he was snubbed from a best supporting acting nomination by the Academy for his role in Starred Up.

 

 

 

Two things. First, Spartacus battles were better than the Battle for Winterfell. God help me.

On this we agree. Blackwater was the best battle, but overall Spartacus's battles were better. Of course, they were unrealistic as fuck, but they were consistently great and plausible within the aesthetic set forward by the series. Spartacus really is one of the most underrated series out there imo.

 

EDIT: Almost forgot. Fair is fair, Hardhome was imo a pretty great battle as well. Yes, there were stupid things in there (slowest rowers ever) and it wasn't in the books but it was a great battle and I have to give them props for that.

 

 

We've just been spoiled since Blackwater. I remember when the show first started that I didn't think we'd even get a battle, or if we did it would be a terrible CG affair like Spartacus.

Totally ignoring that show's goals and aesthetic. So no.

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:agree: I think it all comes down to: "if you can't walk the walk don't talk the talk" GoT didn't just cross that line with the Battle of Winterfell. They obliterated it and then proceeded to defecate on the line's dead body while the line's grieving family was standing right there.

 

Done by Ramsay, im sure.

 

 

Both pretty much sum up my feelings about GoT at this point :crying:

I hope that TWOW comes out before season 6, cause i've lost  pretty much all hope for the show.

 

 

 

 

 

Spartacus really is one of the most underrated series out there imo.

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We've just been spoiled since Blackwater. I remember when the show first started that I didn't think we'd even get a battle, or if we did it would be a terrible CG affair like Spartacus. But when they do their big battles they try to do them well (with some exceptions, ahem, Bran vs skeleton monsters).

I think, regardless of what they say in interviews of having the budget go do what they want, they didn't have the budget or time for this battle. But I thought it was still a great episode. Loved the Walk of Shame, Stannis' total downfall, Theon and Sansa finally finding their courage, Arya going crazy and brutally doing away with Trant, Tyrion and Varys reunited as the ultimate duo, and of course Jon's demise. Really liked that episode.

It's obvious the bulk of the budget went to Hardhome this season. Which I'm fine with, as it was one of the best episodes to date. The scale and importance of the battle for WF is yet TBD anyway.
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Two things. First, Spartacus battles were better than the Battle for Winterfell. God help me.
 
Second, the reason that battle was stupid was not because of budgetary reasons. Ramsay and his "twenty good men" managed to destroy the supplies of Stannis's entire army, so he burns Shireen to make the snow melt, then approaches WInterfell in complete disarray without battle formations or any plan of encountering resistance. Then the battle is skipped to Stannis being the lone survivor of his entire army who is then killed by Brienne who popped up out of nowhere.
 
They could have had a Lord of the Rings budget and the Battle for Winterfell would still have been stupid.
 
Theon and Sansa pulling a Thelma and Louise with no proper build-up, Arya turning into a torture porn-esque slasher villain, Tyrion and Varys teaming up to rule Meereen buddy cop-style were not what I'd call redeeming either.
 

It was storming and visibility was low and I doubt anyone anticipated a sally in that weather, so I buy that such an attack could happen. The encampment was large enough that it's even believable that Ramsay and his men could find it. More of a stretch is how they coordinated and managed to do the damage they did, but the writers made enough of an effort that I give it a pass. Obviously I don't expect everythimg to be 100 percent realistic, otherwise I couldn't even enjoy shows like Breaking Bad, in which the characters do things they would never actually pull off in real life (like super hitman Mike and the uber neo Nazis, etc.).

And I have to disagree about Spartacus. I liked it, but the writing was absolutely dreadful, the CG even worse (and becomes poorer with time - try rewatching it and I think you'll see what I mean). It was trashy fun, but when people talk about B movie quality, Spartacus is about as B movie as you can get. Although Batiatus was a legitimately awesome villain.

Edit: I use my phone to type these posts, so sorry if they occasionally come off as nonsensical in parts.
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