Shryke Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 This was the only result you were gonna see. The real election was winning the PC leadership race. The Liberals had gotten long in the tooth and people wanted "change". And it ain't gonna be the NDP because far too many people in Ontario still hold on to their unexplainable and utterly irrational white hot burning hatred for Bob Rae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Shryke said: This was the only result you were gonna see. The real election was winning the PC leadership race. The Liberals had gotten long in the tooth and people wanted "change". And it ain't gonna be the NDP because far too many people in Ontario still hold on to their unexplainable and utterly irrational white hot burning hatred for Bob Rae. How do I explain to people that my premier is man who has been accused of stealing money from widows and fatherless children? I work in a hospital and am an exec in my union. I was planning on retiring but may just stick around to help make life hell for Doug Ford. (spits after saying his name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemon Stark Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Still kinda stunned by this result, but I live far away thankfully. The question now is just how Doug Ford will fully unravel. It will happen, as it did with his late brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 He is the man who said he would cut funding to libraries in a heartbeat, as a city councilor. Brought out Margaret Atwood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 10:17 AM, maarsen said: How do I explain to people that my premier is man who has been accused of stealing money from widows and fatherless children? I work in a hospital and am an exec in my union. I was planning on retiring but may just stick around to help make life hell for Doug Ford. (spits after saying his name) Perhaps the voters admire him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 14 hours ago, SeanF said: Perhaps the voters admire him for it. No they don't. A lot of people would have voted for Hannibal Lecter as this point in the Liberal mandate. Ford's approval ratings are in the 20% range right now, and amongst women he approaches zero. A premier/leader can be ousted by his party in our system if he gets too rancid for the voters to swallow. We may yet see this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 16 hours ago, maarsen said: No they don't. A lot of people would have voted for Hannibal Lecter as this point in the Liberal mandate. Ford's approval ratings are in the 20% range right now, and amongst women he approaches zero. A premier/leader can be ousted by his party in our system if he gets too rancid for the voters to swallow. We may yet see this happen. How did the Liberals lose, then? Granted they were in office for a long time, but the Conservatives managed a forty year run up till 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 6 hours ago, SeanF said: How did the Liberals lose, then? Granted they were in office for a long time, but the Conservatives managed a forty year run up till 1985. Because people demand change eventually. The more things are bad for them, the more they demand it. And certian things in Ontario (see - power) have been pretty bad lately. So basically people turned to the "anyone but the Liberals" option. Which for a lot of Ontario is the PC party because they hate the NDP because for some reason Bob Rae is satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemon Stark Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/06/12/we-just-shook-hands-trump-confused-by-trudeaus-pushed-around-comment-after-g7-summit.html Time to recall the ambassador... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Aemon Stark said: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/06/12/we-just-shook-hands-trump-confused-by-trudeaus-pushed-around-comment-after-g7-summit.html Time to recall the ambassador... God, I've backspaced so many responses lol On a personal level, I haven't wanted to slap the face off some wrong-minded fuckhead this badly in years. --- Pulling back, the DPRK debacle currently unfolding is one thing. I want to say that making nice with Russia despite it's actions over the last several years is another, but it's more of the same, and on a related note point out that one of the more successful deterrents over the last few decades used to lid the East v. West mentality type differences/conflicts has been economic [market access, trade, sanctions, etc] but Trump is seriously undermining that as well. I suppose it's as good a breakpoint as ever to reassess who we are and what we want before we make a move. Canada and the US have had touchy moments before, to be sure, but what I'm not certain of is how we collectively walk this back. Maybe we don't. Maybe, we try to understand that the world is changing and our relationship with the US doesn't have to be better than this. Economically speaking, long term, that would most likely be better for us anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salome the Persian Witch Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 On 6/7/2018 at 9:00 PM, Shryke said: This was the only result you were gonna see. The real election was winning the PC leadership race. The Liberals had gotten long in the tooth and people wanted "change". And it ain't gonna be the NDP because far too many people in Ontario still hold on to their unexplainable and utterly irrational white hot burning hatred for Bob Rae. Not gonna lie - I had to pop in here after being away from the board for forever to see Shryke's take on the Ontario election. Not that I can say anything. I'm terrified of a Jason Kenney takeover in Alberta. Even so, when you have Harper on Fox news and Rob Ford both standing behind Trudeau, you know things are messed up and we are in the craziest timeline. That all said, it makes perfect sense to me. Trump has to amp up the hatred and rhetoric in preparation for the 2nd phase of the forthcoming Anschluss. The first, of course, is to destroy the economy of the populace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Hey T! Ok... so there aren't many of us Canucks on the board, or many that sound off on politics-- but I'm wondering how you guys feel about the 'groping' incident of Trudeau's 18 years ago that was vaguely corroborated by the other party just today? The victim's written statement was interesting in it's phrasing and decided lack of details, referring only to the original editorial which also was lacking details. I mean, myself, I'm not sure he should get a pass. Yet however unimpressed I was with his responses to date, I'm not sure anyone can make him take the hit on it excepting himself. I suspect we're going to get some real insight into JT's character now that the statement has been issued, but until then it's like I'm on the fence while also feeling that I shouldn't be. What do you guys think? --- ETA: oh yah, and FUCK FORD ETA II: FUCK THAT GOAT-ASS HARPER TOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Margaret Wente had a good editorial on this. For me personally he should just admit and move on because it predates any political aspirations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, kairparavel said: Margaret Wente had a good editorial on this. For me personally he should just admit and move on because it predates any political aspirations. Yeah, true. Thing is, he kind of handwaved at it a few days ago shortly after his wonderful meeting with Ford. I like JT, but that bothers me. Having read the statement though, it's none of my business I suppose. --- Meanwhile, my brother just texted me to let me know he was in a private suite at the Stampede and Harper was several feet away. Looks like Kenney is two people down, judging by the photo he sent me. I'd probably have been escorted off the grounds by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Lol, what the hell does your brother do? I don't know what to think bout Trudeau. He was a young, unmarried guy, good looking and famous, and I assume he had lots of girlfriends. I bet he was flirted with constantly and flirted just as much back. There's not exactly a whole lot of detail given by the woman, but in her editorial back in 2000 she says he apologized the next day and she sounds like she didn't accept the apology, because "how dare the son of a former PM do this", like he should have been a saint because 'dad'. After typing that out, it seems to me that the matter ended with the apology back then. If he acted inappropriately he apologized for it almost immediately. It's not exactly the same as the stories about other politicians who initially said, or continue to say, they don't remember and only apologized once outed. My question is, why did Warren Kinsella dredge this up? Bad blood between him and Trudeau? Hasn't been hired as a consultant? Hell, the man is a long time Liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 But the problem with the apology seems to be 'Had I known you were with the media' which is super problematic. As is his zero tolerance policy. But again at this point I'd be ok with 'Drunk and super hot me did something super INappropriate' because so many men have in the past. It's ok to have been inappropriate and also show growth from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Casablanca Birdie said: Lol, what the hell does your brother do? Was in biochem research, now he's an Opthalmologist. Prior to he messaged and asked if I wanted to go, but I don't like this city during Stampede. Anyway, I asked him to sidle up to Harper and say, 'Hey, my brother says FUCK YOU.' B ignored my request and instead sent me the photo. Harper in cowboy regalia, weird expression on his face. When I saw Kenney just a few people down I knew this was my brother's way of taunting me, because he's a fucker too [god love him] --- Kinsella is a douche as well. Beyond what the media did to this woman, basically forcing her to make that statement, another concern I have is how long the Canadian media are going to obsess over it. I mean, it's a big deal. But as you and kair have said, or at least how I've interpreted it, it does kind of seem like a non-starter at this point-- especially given the victim's feelings [which is one thing the media certainly didn't give one shit about] Meanwhile, Ford's started gutting Ontario, the Alberta Conservatives are neck deep in shenanigans, Kenney's a creep and a worse fucking liar than Scheer,-and- Harper did a Free Iran speaking session hosted by the formerly-known-as MeK, ffs. I dumped Facebook, but I'm still seeing all sorts of crap mirroring the Trump campaign and instead of learning from the present predicament of the US our media aren't putting the feet of the political establishment to the coals. To say I'm concerned is an understatement. eta: spelling and shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 minute ago, kairparavel said: But the problem with the apology seems to be 'Had I known you were with the media' which is super problematic. As is his zero tolerance policy. But again at this point I'd be ok with 'Drunk and super hot me did something super appropriate' because so many men have in the past. It's ok to have been inappropriate and also show growth from that. Truth, and he can't do that because of the zero tolerance. It's a bind he's in for sure. I couldn't agree more with the latter, but find it unlikely [not impossible] that partisan coopting of #metoo would defer to such an evolved understanding and let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, kairparavel said: But the problem with the apology seems to be 'Had I known you were with the media' which is super problematic. As is his zero tolerance policy. But again at this point I'd be ok with 'Drunk and super hot me did something super INappropriate' because so many men have in the past. It's ok to have been inappropriate and also show growth from that. That strikes me as a completely honest thing he would have said. Do you think that Trudeau would have wanted to flirt with and possibly have a one night stand with a reporter? I have no idea if he was a one night stand kind of person, but as someone who spent a few years as a reporter I certainly had been told by people that they would not have said things to me if they had known I was a journalist. Many reporters have been told that. Maybe that was why she was upset back in 2000. "I wouldn't have flirted with you if I knew you were a reporter" (implied: cuz you'd probably write a story about me). What, I wasn't good enough for you then? I don't know why that's problematic. What rich person goes out with a reporter? What actor goes out with a reporter? You might be able to come up with an example or two, but really, if you're famous or rich you wouldn't want to be telling tales to someone who might publish them if you broke up, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnS Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 6/8/2018 at 6:17 AM, maarsen said: How do I explain to people that my premier is man who has been accused of stealing money from widows and fatherless children? I work in a hospital and am an exec in my union. I was planning on retiring but may just stick around to help make life hell for Doug Ford. (spits after saying his name) How do you explain that Renata Ford has be charged with two DUI's and isn't operating on all cylinders herself. https://globalnews.ca/news/3151127/ex-toronto-mayor-rob-fords-widow-renata-arrested-for-suspected-drunk-driving/ How do you explain all the nutjobs running for the NDP, the party that your union suppports? https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/from-hitler-memes-to-9-11-truthers-ontario-ndp-candidate-controversies-whip-up-as-party-enters-spotlight People are tired of government bullshit and they turfed Wynne for that reason in a landslide. https://globalnews.ca/news/4167140/ontario-auditor-general-deficit-billions/ I suppose you think Trudeau wasn't gaslighting Rose Knight when he said that women may experience 'groping' differently than men. This thread conveniently leaves out facts and context when mansplaining Canadian politics. Ford is nothing like Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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