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Wow, I Never Noticed That v. 13

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To Garbad from previous thread

I'm rereading all the books/prereleased chapters (for like my 10th time) and at the same time rewatched the show (2nd time). I have a lot of small questions that hopefully ya'll can answer for me. Please let me know if this is not appropriate. If its allowed, I will add to it as I move along.

1. When Dany meets Quaithe, she asks who she is. She replies that she is no one. That seems like its an awfully strange answer for a shadowbinder from asshai, as opposed to a faceless man from braavos. She is connected to the class candles of oldtown, and seems to be helping dany know her true nature (fire and blood), but otherwise is an unknown. What's her game?

2. As I understand it, the original plan was to send in V. Targ with a dothraki horde to ravage the kingdoms, then let Faegon come in behind and "Save" them. Doesn't this seem like a spectacularly stupid plan? First, it weakens trust in targs in general -- they will be less winning to accept A after V weakens the targ brand, so to speak. Second, war is forever uncertain. Why risk battle against the horde which might go badly? And why throw away a potential ally in any event? I can't see any good reason to involve the dothraki at all. Just step in as the war of the 5 kings begins, as they knew it would.

3. Speaking of the illyrio conspiracy, why didn't they ever approach various lords with marriage offers. Vis to arriane to get dorne, fair enough. Dany could have been given to robb and accept the terms robb offered renly. aegon could have then either be disposed of or brough in had vis turned out to be unstable, and perhaps offered to margarey or someone else. The king offers are admittedly flexible, but throwing away dany seems like a criminal waste.

4. Why in the seven hells has Mel never sent a raven back east to say she found the "chosen one?" They speak of dany, but never stannis.

5. Is littlefinger sweetrobin's father? He was banging lyssa for years, both in KL and RR.

6. Speaking of insane plans, how about Tywin's reaction to Tyrion being taken. I get it, he had a plan -- tyrion is took, so we need an equivalent hostage. So he reaves the riverlands, knowing ned will go out in person and sort it out, then he can take ned and exchange him. But jamie spoils this. Still, this is an insane breach of the king's peace, and Tywin had no way of knowing Big Bobby B was about to get boared. By all rights, no matter how his plan worked out the king should have come crashing down on the Lannisters for some combination of incest, reaving, attacking ned, and so on. Why in the world would he gamble like that with no allies and no real chance of beating the north/riverlands alone even if everyone else stayed out of it?

7. Varys at first hides the existence of the dragons in with other nonsense rumors, but eventually the major players have to know what's going on. They also have to know that Dany has repeatedly said she plans to take back the 7k. Despite this, no one seems concerned in the slightest. Evidently extinct flying reptiles are birthed in the wilderness all the time, and having usurpers take a major city isn't particularly alarming as long as its on the other side of an easily navigable sea. What. The. Hell. Dany is closer to KL than winterfell is, yet no one seems concerned in the slightest.

8. Why did jon get a stark direpup if he is actually R+L=J? The runt albino driven away from the others makes sense if he is a stark bastard, but as a hidden targ it doesn't. He's the blue rose, not a white direpup.

9. IMO, the Knight of the Laughing Tree is clearly Lyanna. Lady Lance (the sand snake) proves that GRRM thinks a 14 year old girl who likes horses can somehow joust and defeat trained men, so why not L? All she needs is a magical booming voice (or a good yelling voice like the ned trained Robb to have), and everything else fits.

10. Jaquen Hagar pulls a bait and switch on arya. He tells her her list can be a prayer, and the many faced god will help her kill them all, one by one. But once she is committed they tell her she can only kill those commanded. Did GRRM just decide to include more random torture porn as filler?

11. As bran goes north, he spends the night with a wull. He also says he knows they are seen. So the hill tribesmen know he is alive. Why don't they share this with Jon at the wall, or with the other northern lords? Or for that matter, why don't they try to contact robb, who is still alive at that point? Bran is hiding from the boltons, but at that point the boltons are a few hundred men vs 3000 hill men. Why didn't they just take them in?

Thanks in advance.

3. Approaching various lords with marriage offers will mean you have to reveal your plans. Approaching Ned if he's willing to marry Robb to Dany? How do you figure that, with Ned so loyal to Robert? House Tyrell... Loras would never abandon Renly, and Dorne would not have been high on the list of concerns, I think. They were expected to join anyway to overthrow the Baratheons. For Aegon, they are needed not only for the swords and spears they bring, but to add a voice to his legitimacy.

4. She works alone, she was never send to find him. Who would she tell?

5. Possible. Yet, we have no idea when he came to KL.. he had been given a position in Gulltown in 289 AC. Sweetrobin was bor. in early 292 AC, thus conceived mid-291. Was a year enough to bring LF to KL? Perhaps, perhaps not.
Also note how no one finds Robert's looks odd, despite him not looking like Lysa. To me that suggests there possibly is something of an Arryn look in there.

6. Catelyn had already broken the peace. And Tywins plan depended on the Starks not being able to proof Gregor had done the deed.
Also, who says Tywin didn't know Robert was close to dying?

7. First she's with Dothraki, who will Not cross the sea. Then she disappears, and when she reappears, she has no money, and no army. That's no threat. When she fi ally acquires an army, the seven kingdoms have something else to worry about... They have a war of their own to fight.

8. If R and L is J, Jon is still half Stark. And that's why he got a direwolf.

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Waymar Royce is a parallel of Jon Snow. He is a northern lord's son who goes to the wall is thought of as a snob by the black brothers, thinks he is better than everyone and is actually really brave. The difference being Jon is a bastard so he doesn't get command of a small force like Waymar and thus doesn't die

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Waymar Royce is a parallel of Jon Snow. He is a northern lord's son who goes to the wall is thought of as a snob by the black brothers, thinks he is better than everyone and is actually really brave. The difference being Jon is a bastard so he doesn't get command of a small force like Waymar and thus doesn't die

  

The Royces are from the Vale but they are descendants of the First Men.

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With Hoster Blackwood being a seven foot squire/ward to Jaime, and then Brienne's meeting with Jaime outside Pennytree, it all played in rather nicely with the theory that Brienne is a descendant of Dunk's.  Seven foot squire - Pennytree - Brienne.

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The Royces are from the Vale but they are descendants of the First Men.


That's ruined my feeling smart day

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Barristan regrets saving Aerys from Duskendale. If Aerys died, Rhaegar would have been king and there would have been no rebellion, as far as Barristan knows (he does not know about the Blackfure plot). But if Aerys died at Duskendale, Dany would never have been born, and there would be no dragons in the world. If Dany's dragons save Westeros in future, Barristan need not regret saving Aerys.

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Waymar Royce is a parallel of Jon Snow. He is a northern lord's son who goes to the wall is thought of as a snob by the black brothers, thinks he is better than everyone and is actually really brave. The difference being Jon is a bastard so he doesn't get command of a small force like Waymar and thus doesn't die

You are right. Lord's son, snob, valiant.

Storm of Swords spoiler [spoiler] gets leadership role at young age [/spoiler]

ADWD spoiler [spoiler] dies ..sorta. [/spoiler]

 

"Dance with me then"

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You are right. Lord's son, snob, valiant.
Storm of Swords spoiler [spoiler] gets leadership role at young age [/spoiler]
ADWD spoiler [spoiler] dies ..sorta. [/spoiler]
 
"Dance with me then"


Waymar Royce has the most badass yet forgettable last words

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Waymar Royce has the most badass yet forgettable last words

Could be another Jon parallel. R+L=J. Dance with Dragons highest number of PoV chapters. Dance of Dragons v2. Ice vs Fire.. but too flimsy a connection, IMO.

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That Dany gave up one of her own bloodriders to the Yunkaii' as a hostage when she married Hizdahr. There were so many things she was doing in ADWD that irritated me that I somehow missed that horrifying decision.

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That's ruined my feeling smart day

 

Sorry about that.

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Across the terrace, Lysa laughed gaily at some jest of Lord Hunter's, and nibbled a blackberry from the point of Ser Lyn Corbray's dagger. They were the suitors who stood highest in Lysa's favor … today, at least. Catelyn would have been hard-pressed to say which man was more unsuitable... Ser Lyn was a different sort of folly; lean and handsome, heir to an ancient but impoverished house, but vain, reckless, hot-tempered … and, it was whispered, notoriously uninterested in the intimate charms of women.

 

Three books apart, Littlefinger and Catelyn agree about Lyn Corbray.

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Is Illyrio dying?

GRRM depicts Yezzan zo Qoggaz and Illyrio both as morbidly obese and having difficulty holding their water, as well as associates the color yellow with the two characters. Yezzan contracted a disease from Sothoros, so his weight need not depict how feeble he is. (Unless weight gain, increased appetite, and frequent urination is a symptom of the disease? If so, perhaps the two shared the same disease?)

If this is true, perhaps this is why Illyrio sounded "strangely sad" when Duck, Haldon, and Tyrion departed. He's been plotting for over a decade to put Aegon on the throne only to potentially die before he can see it finished.

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"Aurane" is very similar to the Latin word for golden, "Aureus." I wonder if this hints at Aurane Waters being bonded to Viserion at some point.

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Why are people using spoiler tags for published material?

 

There's a forum rule to use spoiler tags for new material for one full month after it has been published. On top of that, we usually keep up spoiler tags for pre-published chapters from The Winds of Winter so as to not spoil the reading fun for fans who want to wait reading them when the book is finally out.

 

And some time we use them for suspense.

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I remember reading that Waymar Royce's sword is among the treasures left by the wildlings when they cross on the other side of the Wall.

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