SerLinginBerry Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 It's not that the title of the book makes everyone suspect that there has to be a Dance 2.0. I think that comes more from one of the sample chapters from Winds: Hidden ContentAnd of course due to the ssm in which GRRM discussed it shortly.Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. I've stayed away from anything regarding Winds of Winter goings-on...with the exception of release date nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrunkenDornishman Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The Hedge Knight and A Game of Thrones both start roughly 14-15 years after a rebellion against the Targaryens, although one failed and one succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I just noticed the similarity between the dragon that Aerion destroys and location of the eggs that Daenerys lays in Drogo's pyre.One man-at-arms was dangling the puppets of Florian and Jonquil from his hands as another set them afire with a torch. Three more men were opening chests, spilling more puppets on the ground and stamping on them. The dragon puppet was scattered all about them, a broken wing here, its head there, its tail in three pieces. The Hedge Knight, scene where Aerion attacks Tanselle.She climbed the pyre herself to place the eggs around her sun-and-stars. The black beside his heart, under his arm. The green beside his head, his braid coiled around it. The cream-and-gold down between his legs. When she kissed him for the last time, Dany could taste the sweetness of the oil on his lips. AGoT, Daenerys XDrogon's egg is placed under Drogo's arm, which parallels the broken wing. Rhaegal's egg is placed beside Drogo's head, which parallels the "[puppet's] head there." And Viserion's egg (the dragon who has three horns) is placed at Drogo's hips, which parallels the tail (which is attached to the same area) in three pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I just noticed the similarity between the dragon that Aerion destroys and location of the eggs that Daenerys lays in Drogo's pyre.One man-at-arms was dangling the puppets of Florian and Jonquil from his hands as another set them afire with a torch. Three more men were opening chests, spilling more puppets on the ground and stamping on them. The dragon puppet was scattered all about them, a broken wing here, its head there, its tail in three pieces. The Hedge Knight, scene where Aerion attacks Tanselle.She climbed the pyre herself to place the eggs around her sun-and-stars. The black beside his heart, under his arm. The green beside his head, his braid coiled around it. The cream-and-gold down between his legs. When she kissed him for the last time, Dany could taste the sweetness of the oil on his lips. AGoT, Daenerys XDrogon's egg is placed under Drogo's arm, which parallels the broken wing. Rhaegal's egg is placed beside Drogo's head, which parallels the "[puppet's] head there." And Viserion's egg (the dragon who has three horns) is placed at Drogo's hips, which parallels the tail (which is attached to the same area) in three pieces.Impressive. Most impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Impressive. Most impressive. Is it weird that I totally "read" this in Darth Vader's voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Is it weird that I totally "read" this in Darth Vader's voice?Not at all. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 "His passion was impossible, of course. A landed knight is no fit consort for a princess of royal blood." Barristan, about Rhaella and Bonifer to Daenerys.Ironic, given that Sansa (princess of the North) is currently engaged to a Hardyng, from a family of landed knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Orys Baratheon is to Aegon I Targaryen as Jon Snow is to Aegon VI Targaryen. That is, rumored-to-be half brothers. Wonder if the latter's relationship will be as close as the former? Or if Aegon feels charitable and gives Storm's End to Jon Snow too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornishdame Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The Hedge Knight and A Game of Thrones both start roughly 14-15 years after a rebellion against the Targaryens, although one failed and one succeeded. I was also add that in both sets of books, so much seems to come back to that rebellion; in the Dunk and Egg tales everything seems to reflect back to the Blackfyre rebellions and in ASOIAF they all seem to go back to Robert's rebellion. Perhaps that is a sign of the cyclical nature of history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving Stannis Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lysa greeting Littlefinger in Book 2:“Poo to my court. I have waited so long, I could not bear to wait another moment.” She put her arms around him. “I want to share your bed tonight, my sweet. I want us to make another child, a brother for Robert or a sweet little daughter.” - ASoS, SansaFACTS • Lysa carried on a secret affair with Petyr while she was married to Jon Arryn • Lysa had several miscarriages during her marriage to Jon Arryn • On his deathbed, Lysa's father Hoster Tully was muttering the word "Tansey," a know contraceptive tea. • Arryns are traditionally "sandy-haired," and Jon Arryn was a broad-shouldered, robust soldier of a man. Robin is the opposite of all those things. So is Petyr… • Jon Arryn's last words, "The seed is strong," were interpreted by Ned to be a reference to King Robert, and the fact that none of Cersei's children shared his features… …but perhaps it was a reference to his own seed, and the fact that despite this, Robin shares none of his features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving Stannis Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Don't be so sure. I don't believe it but he may be dead already... Illyrio was reclining on a padded couch, gobbling hot peppers and pearl onions from a wooden bowl. His brow was dotted with beads of sweat, his pig's eyes shining above his fat cheeks. Jewels danced when he moved his hands; onyx and opal, tiger's eye and tourmaline, ruby, amethyst, sapphire, emerald, jet and jade, a black diamond, and a green pearl. I could live for years on his rings, Tyrion mused, though I' d need a cleaver to claim them. ... The corsairs had come aboard in the darkness before the dawn, as the Meadowlark was anchored off the coast of the Disputed Lands. The crew had beaten them off, at the cost of twelve lives. Afterward the sailors stripped the dead corsairs of boots and belts and weapons, divvied up their purses, and yanked gemstones from their ears and rings from their fingers. One of the corpses was so fat that the ships cook had to cut his fingers off with a meat cleaver to claim his rings. It took three Meadowlarks to roll the body into the sea. The other pirates were chucked in after him, without a word of prayer or ceremony.just to confirm, the 2nd quote comes chronologically after the 1st, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Lysa greeting Littlefinger in Book 2:“Poo to my court. I have waited so long, I could not bear to wait another moment.” She put her arms around him. “I want to share your bed tonight, my sweet. I want us to make another child, a brother for Robert or a sweet little daughter.” - ASoS, SansaFACTS • Lysa carried on a secret affair with Petyr while she was married to Jon Arryn • Lysa had several miscarriages during her marriage to Jon Arryn • On his deathbed, Lysa's father Hoster Tully was muttering the word "Tansey," a know contraceptive tea. • Arryns are traditionally "sandy-haired," and Jon Arryn was a broad-shouldered, robust soldier of a man. Robin is the opposite of all those things. So is Petyr… • Jon Arryn's last words, "The seed is strong," were interpreted by Ned to be a reference to King Robert, and the fact that none of Cersei's children shared his features… …but perhaps it was a reference to his own seed, and the fact that despite this, Robin shares none of his features. A few things,Lysa had been pregnant by LF before, the child that was aborted. Whilst that child never lived, he does count in her mind, as she acknowledges when he is about to kill. So her statement of "I want us to make another child" is nothing out of the ordinary. Also, Arryn's are not traditionally sandy-haired. At least, that isn't what the passage says. We know of only one Arryn-related man who has that hair colour, and while he was said to have had Jon Arryn's look, that is a rather general statement, and does not automatically mean that Arryn had the exact same hair colour. The question remains as to whether Petyr would have been at KL when Robert was conceived. The boy was born in early 292 AC. We know that Petyr was given customs in Gulltown by Arryn in 289 AC. The timing of that we don't know, though there will have been a portion in the year where Arryn was too occupied (Greyjoy Rebellion). LF first had to proof himself at Gulltown, and only after he had done so, was he brought to KL by Arryn. Was that in time (mid-291 AC) to conceive Robert? We don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymoon Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I just noticed the similarity between the dragon that Aerion destroys and location of the eggs that Daenerys lays in Drogo's pyre.One man-at-arms was dangling the puppets of Florian and Jonquil from his hands as another set them afire with a torch. Three more men were opening chests, spilling more puppets on the ground and stamping on them. The dragon puppet was scattered all about them, a broken wing here, its head there, its tail in three pieces. The Hedge Knight, scene where Aerion attacks Tanselle.She climbed the pyre herself to place the eggs around her sun-and-stars. The black beside his heart, under his arm. The green beside his head, his braid coiled around it. The cream-and-gold down between his legs. When she kissed him for the last time, Dany could taste the sweetness of the oil on his lips. AGoT, Daenerys XDrogon's egg is placed under Drogo's arm, which parallels the broken wing. Rhaegal's egg is placed beside Drogo's head, which parallels the "[puppet's] head there." And Viserion's egg (the dragon who has three horns) is placed at Drogo's hips, which parallels the tail (which is attached to the same area) in three pieces.Or the dragon puppet foreshadows the fate of the mummer's dragon, fAegon? Or the fate of his army? A head there (the leadership), the wing there (its flank), its tail in three pieces (the rest of his host/followers). The puppets in the chest and the men stamping on them make me think of puppet kings, rising and falling just as quickly...Or, it foreshadows the fate of house Targaryen as a whole. The head (Daenerys), the wing (a branch, fAegon/Blacfyre)... and it's tail in three pieces.... the followers? people of westeros, pulled in three direction? Or ... Jon, in "three pieces"? Jon and allies, "made of three pieces"? "pulled in three directions"? Or.... Viserion is placed between Drogo's legs. So, it's like Drogo fathered him. Drogo, is the "genitor", the "father" a mirror for Rhaegar/house Targaryen....Rhageal, at Drogo's head, then represents an equal to the "genitor" (the member of a side branch), while Drogon, under Drogo's arm, represents another member of House Targaryen, that is "collateral" to the "genitor"....a child, a distant cousin, a sibling and Rhaegar in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 just to confirm, the 2nd quote comes chronologically after the 1st, right?That's why I said MAY be dead. It is not clear but Quentyn's journey may have started around the same time Tyrion and Illyrio were traveling together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 That's why I said MAY be dead. It is not clear but Quentyn's journey may have started around the same time Tyrion and Illyrio were traveling together. Considering the timing of Tywin's death, the moment Arianne learned of it, combined with the moment the rumours about the GC breaking contract began to surface, and place that all next to Tyrion's journey, and the fact that Quentyn has been stuck in Volantis the moment we first meet him for 20 days already, after a long journey across the sea, with a four day stop in Lys, it seems clear to me that Quentyn had left long before Tyrion ever got a hold of that crossbow. Now the Arianne learning about Tywin's death part, I have momentarily forgotten how that was changed in subsequent editions of the book (can anyone quote it for me/ tell me?), but the Golden Company part remains the same, I think. And at that point, Quentyn had been gone for quite a while, as Arianne was convinced he had had time enough to reach the GC and buy their loyalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordManderlyAsDragonRider Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Lysa greeting Littlefinger in Book 2:“Poo to my court. I have waited so long, I could not bear to wait another moment.” She put her arms around him. “I want to share your bed tonight, my sweet. I want us to make another child, a brother for Robert or a sweet little daughter.” - ASoS, SansaFACTS • Lysa carried on a secret affair with Petyr while she was married to Jon Arryn • Lysa had several miscarriages during her marriage to Jon Arryn • On his deathbed, Lysa's father Hoster Tully was muttering the word "Tansey," a know contraceptive tea. • Arryns are traditionally "sandy-haired," and Jon Arryn was a broad-shouldered, robust soldier of a man. Robin is the opposite of all those things. So is Petyr… • Jon Arryn's last words, "The seed is strong," were interpreted by Ned to be a reference to King Robert, and the fact that none of Cersei's children shared his features… …but perhaps it was a reference to his own seed, and the fact that despite this, Robin shares none of his features. Is it a fact that Lysa had an affair with Petyr while married? I thought her whole rush to get married was because she did not want to sleep with him again without being married to him. and that is why she says she has been waiting so long and can't wait any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordManderlyAsDragonRider Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Lysa greeting Littlefinger in Book 2:“Poo to my court. I have waited so long, I could not bear to wait another moment.” She put her arms around him. “I want to share your bed tonight, my sweet. I want us to make another child, a brother for Robert or a sweet little daughter.” - ASoS, SansaFACTS • Lysa carried on a secret affair with Petyr while she was married to Jon Arryn • Lysa had several miscarriages during her marriage to Jon Arryn • On his deathbed, Lysa's father Hoster Tully was muttering the word "Tansey," a know contraceptive tea. • Arryns are traditionally "sandy-haired," and Jon Arryn was a broad-shouldered, robust soldier of a man. Robin is the opposite of all those things. So is Petyr… • Jon Arryn's last words, "The seed is strong," were interpreted by Ned to be a reference to King Robert, and the fact that none of Cersei's children shared his features… …but perhaps it was a reference to his own seed, and the fact that despite this, Robin shares none of his features. Is it a fact that Lysa had an affair with Petyr while married? I thought her whole rush to get married was because she did not want to sleep with him again without being married to him. and that is why she says she has been waiting so long and can't wait any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 In Sansa VI, Clash 60, Cersei advises Sansa to instill fear in her subjects to inspire loyalty. Sansa resolves to make her subjects love her instead. We see Margaery do this in the next couple of books. Which example will Sansa follow, or will she pave her own path? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Lewis Lanster may be a member of a lesser branch of the Lannisters of Lannisports. Other lesser branches are Lanny, Lantell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 In Sansa VI, Clash 60, Cersei advises Sansa to instill fear in her subjects to inspire loyalty. Sansa resolves to make her subjects love her instead. We see Margaery do this in the next couple of books. Which example will Sansa follow, or will she pave her own path? Seems more like a "Small Question" to me Perhaps she'll make a compromise, and use a little of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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