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The R+L=J theory claims Jon Snow most probably is the son of crown prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Ned's sister Lyanna Stark.

The Tower of the Hand has an excellent analysis of this theory:
Jon Snow's Parents

And Westeros' Citadel also provides a summary:
Jon Snow's Parents

A Wiki of Ice and Fire:
Jon Snow Theories
 
Radio Westeros podcast:
A Dragon, a Wolf and a Rose
 
Frequently Asked Questions:

How can Jon be a Targaryen if ordinary fire burned his hand?
Targaryens are not immune to fire. It's a myth that has been refuted by a list of Targaryens being burned. Danaerys 'the unburnt' was indeed unscathed when she hatched the dragon eggs, but that has not stopped her being burned on other occasions. See this thread on Targaryen fire immunity.

Don't all Targaryens have hallmark Valryian silver-golden hair and purple eyes?
Not all of them: Valarr and Queen Alysanne had blue eyes. Bittersteel, who like Jon was half first men blood, had brown hair. Baelor Breakspear and his son(s) and Jon's own half-sister Rhaenys had the Dornish look (dark hair, black eyes, olive skin). Rhaenyra Targaryen's three sons all had brown hair and brown eyes even though both their parents had light silver-gold hair.
Had Jon Valyrian features, it would give his parentage away: "He had the Stark face if not the name: long, solemn, guarded, a face that gave nothing away. Whoever his mother had been, she had left little of herself in her son." Tyrion got the bit about the mother wrong, though: his mother was the Stark.

If Jon isn't Ned's son, then why does he look so much like him?
Jon looks very like Arya, and Arya looks very like Lyanna. Jon is Ned's nephew, and Lyanna and Ned looked similar.

Ned is too honourable to lie. If he says Jon is his son, doesn't that mean he must be?
Ned tells Arya that sometimes lies can be honourable. His final words, a confession of his guilt, are a lie to protect Sansa. While a lie can be honourable, cheating on his wife isn't, so Ned's famed honour points to Jon not being his son.

How can Jon be half-Targaryen and have a direwolf?
He's also half Stark, through Lyanna. Ned's trueborn children are half Tully and that doesn't stop them having direwolves.

Why doesn't Ned ever think about Lyanna being Jon's mother?
Ned doesn't think about anyone being Jon's mother. If he did, there would be no mystery. He names 'Wylla' to Robert, but we do not see him thinking of Wylla being Jon's mother.
There's a hidden hint at who Jon's mother might be: In chapter 4, Eddard's internal monologue goes "Lyanna ... Ned had loved her with all his heart." and in chapter 6, Catelyn thinks "Whoever Jon's mother had been, Ned must have loved her fiercely".

Why would Ned not at least tell Catelyn?
We don't have a list of what Ned promised to Lyanna, but know he takes his promises seriously. Maybe he promised not to tell anyone. In Chapter 45, Ned is uncertain what Cat would do if it came to Jon's life over that of her own children. If Catelyn knew that Jon was Rhaegar's son, she might feel that keeping him at Winterfell presented a serious risk to her own children. Ultimately, Catelyn did not need to know, so maybe Ned simply chose to be on the safe side.

Doesn't Ned refer to Robb and Jon as "my sons in the very first chapter?
In speech, not in thought. Ned is keeping Jon's parentage secret. He never thinks of Jon as his son: In Chapter 45, Ned thinks of his children "Robb and Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon and explicitly excludes Jon from the list. ADwD Chapter 34 has Bran's vision of younger Ned in the Winterfell godswood: "...let them grow up close as brothers, with only love between them," he prayed, "and let my lady wife find it in her heart to forgive..." which not make sense if they are brothers.

Since Rhaegar was already married, wouldn't Jon still be a bastard?
He might, or might not. There was a tradition of polygamy among Targaryens in the past, so the possibility that Rhaegar and Lyanna married is not easily ruled out. A pro-legitimacy argument is this: The presence of the three kingsguards at the Tower of Joy is best explained if they were defending the heir to the throne, which Jon would only be if he was legitimate.

Can we be certain polygamy is not illegal?
Aegon I and Maegor I practised polygamy. In Westeros, unlike a constitutional monarchy, royals are not subject to the law. So if there ever was a law against it, it did not apply to the Targaryens: In Chapter 33 it says "like their dragons the Targaryens answered to neither gods nor men". Examples demonstrate that it was considered an option for Targaryens: Aegon IV and Daemon Blackfyre may have considered it for Daemon, Jorah Mormont suggested it to Daenerys as a viable option, and she said the same about Quentyn Martell.
George R.R. Martin says in this SSM: "If you have a dragon, you can have as many wives as you want". There is also this SSM predating the worldbook.
On Polygamy essay by Ygrain with additions by Rhaenys_Targaryen

Weren't the Kingsguard at Tower of Joy on the basis of an order from Aerys, to guard Lyanna as a hostage?
If so, why would they have apparently made no effort to use this leverage against Robert and Ned? Some argue their Kingsguard vows would have taken precedence and still have required them to leave the Tower to protect Viserys when he became heir -- unless there was another that took precedence [Jon]. Others think they were guarding Lyanna as a hostage at the Tower of Joy. Some say that makes little sense: She would better be kept hostage at King's Landing, and wouldn't require kingsguards to guard her. The mere presence of three kingsguards implies something more important: guarding members of the royal family or maybe the heir.
Frequently suggested readings: At the tower of joy by MtnLion and support of the toj analysis by Ygrain

Isn't there an SSM that says the 3 Kingsguard were following Rhaegar's orders though?
The SSM you may be thinking of is probably this: The King's Guards don't get to make up their own orders. They serve the king, they protect the king and the royal family, but they're also bound to obey their orders, and if Prince Rhaegar gave them a certain order, they would do that. They can't say, "No we don't like that order, we'll do something else."
We know from Barristan, protecting the king is the first and most important of all kingsguard duties. Jamie suggests some other KG to stay with the king when he wants to leave for the Trident and we also learn of a ritual that is performed when all KG meet and the king is guarded by someone who is not from the order.
"Protect vs Obey" is an ongoing subject of debate that is unlikely to be settled until we know more. Either viewpoint is compatible with R+L=J.

Wouldn't Viserys take precedence anyway? Rhaegar died without becoming king, and doesn't the world book call Viserys, not Aegon, Aerys' new heir?
No, in the case of an eldest son dying before the king dies, a grandson comes before a younger son. Even in the case the grandson is yet unborn at the time of death, he would succeed (heir apparent vs. heir presumptive). The world book is written with a Lannister bias (it may be propaganda to undermine Dornish support for the Targaryens) and in hindsight by maesters who have never learned all of what we know from Ned's dreams and memories. If it still turns out to be true... see the next answer.

Are matters of succession just as clear as presented here?
Succession quarrels are a part of medieval power play and even a very clear inheritance could well be contested. So maybe in King's Landing things did happen as the world book says. Rhaegar and Aerys may have been at odds over the succession. Rhaegar told Jaime before leaving for the Trident that he intended to call a council, and The Great Councils of the past have dealt with matters of succession. Who would have accepted such a change is a question worth asking.

Ned is dead. Who's going to tell anyone about it?
Bloodraven and Bran may have learned of it through the weirwood network. Benjen might know. Checkov's Crannogman Howland Reed is the sole survivor of the encounter at the Tower of Joy, and George R.R. Martin has stated he has not yet appeared because he knows too much about the central mystery of the book. "They had found him [Ned] still holding her [Lyanna's] body" tells that there also was someone else besides Howland to find Ned.

Why is this important? What impact can it have on the story?
The careful way the mystery of Jon's parentage was created is reason to believe it's important. What impact it will have on the rest of the series is still unknown.

This theory is too obvious and too many people believe it to be fact. How can it be true?
It is not so obvious to the majority of readers. Some will get it on their first read, but most will not. Readers who go to online fan forums, such as this, still represent a very small minority of the readership. Also, A Game of Thrones has been out since 1996. That's more than 18 years of readers being able to piece together this mystery. Crowd-sourced internet-based mystery solving like this inevitably make solved mysteries seem more obvious in hindsight.

George R.R. Martin is a "breaker of tropes, there can be no hidden prince, it's simply too cliché.
In order to break a trope it needs to be installed in the first place. It is yet unknown what will happen to Jon in the future. Being the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar does not imply the fairy-tale style happy ending associated with the hidden prince trope.

Is there a list of all R+L=J clues that have been found?
There is a list of R+L=J hints, clues and foreshadowing compiled by sj4iy.

Since this theory has been refined so well, will Martin change the outcome of the story to surprise his fans?
He has stated that he won't change the outcome of the story just because some people have put together all the clues and solved the puzzle.

Previous editions:
Please click on the spoiler below to reveal links to all previous editions of this thread

 

[spoiler]Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon Thread (thread one)

Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon Thread (thread two)

The Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon thread (Part III) (thread three)

The Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon thread (Part IV) (thread four)

The Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon Thread (Part V) (thread five)

The Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon Thread (Part VI) (thread six)

The Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Thread Part VII (thread seven)

The Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon thread, Part VIII (thread eight)

The Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon thread, Part IX (thread nine)

The Rhaegar + Lyanna =Jon Thread, Part X(thread ten)

The R+L=J thread, part XI (thread eleven)

The R+L=J thread, part XII (thread twelve)

R+L=J Part XXIII (thread thirteen)

R+L=J Part XXIV (thread fourteen)

R+L=J XXV (thread fifteen)

R+L=J v.16 (thread sixteen)

R+L=J v.17 (thread seventeen)

R+L=J v.18 (thread eighteen)

R+L=J v.19 (thread nineteen)

R+L=J v.20 (thread twenty)

R+L=J v.21 (thread twenty-one)

R+L=J v.22 (thread twenty-two)

R+L=J v.22a (thread twenty-two (a))

R+L=J v.23 (thread twenty-three)

R+L=J v.24 (thread twenty-four)

R+L=J v.25 (thread twenty-five)

R+L=J v.26 (thread twenty-six)

R+L=J v.27 (thread twenty-seven)

R+L=J v.28 (thread twenty-eight)

R+L=J v.29 (thread twenty-nine)

R+L=J v.30 (thread thirty)

R+L=J v.31 (thread thirty-one)

R+L=J v.32 (thread thirty-two)

R+L=J v.33 (thread thirty-three)

R+L=J v.34 (thread thirty-four)

R+L=J v.35 (thread thirty-five)

R+L=J v.36 (thread thirty-six)

R+L=J v.37 (thread thirty-seven)

R+L=J v.38 (thread thirty-eight)

R+L=J v.39 (thread thirty-nine)

"R+L=J v.40" (thread forty)

"R+L=J v.41" (thread forty-one)

"R+L=J v.42" (thread forty-two)

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"R+L=J v.46" (thread forty-six)

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"R+L=J v.48" (thread forty-eight)

"R+L=J v.49" (thread forty-nine)

"R+L=J v.50" (thread fifty)

"R+L=J v.51" (thread fifty-one)

"R+L=J v.52" (thread fifty-two)

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"R+L=J v.57" (thread fifty-seven)

"R+L=J v.58" (thread fifty-eight)

"R+L=J v.59" (thread fifty-nine)

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"R+L=J v.85" (thread eighty-five)

"R+L=J v.86" (thread eighty-six)

"R+L=J v.87" (thread eighty-seven)

"R+L=J v.88" (thread eighty-eight)

"R+L=J v.89" (thread eighty-nine)

"R+L=J v.90" (thread ninety)

"R+L=J v.91" (thread ninety-one)

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"R+L=J v.100" (thread one hundred)

"R+L=J v.101" (thread one hundred one)

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"R+L=J v.112" (thread one hundred twelve)

"R+L=J v.113" (thread one hundred thirteen)

"R+L=J v.114" (thread one hundred fourteen)
 

 

The "[TWoIaF Spoilers] R+L=J" threads were used to openly discuss spoilers from TWoIaF at the time we needed to protect that information.

"[TWoIaF Spoilers] R+L=J v.1"

"[TWoIaF Spoilers] R+L=J v.2"

"[TWoIaF Spoilers] R+L=J v.3"

 
"R+L=J v.115" (thread one hundred fifteen)

"R+L=J v.116" (thread one hundred sixteen)

"R+L=J v.117" (thread one hundred seventeen)

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"R+L=J v.121" (thread one hundred twenty one)

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"R+L=J v.124" (thread one hundred twenty four)

"R+L=J v.125" (thread one hundred twenty five)

"R+L=J v.126" (thread one hundred twenty six)
 
"R+L=J v.127" (thread one hundred twenty seven)
 
"R+L=J v.128" (thread one hundred twenty eight)
 
"R+L=J v.129" (thread one hundred twenty nine)
 
"R+L=J v. 130" (thread one hundred thirty)
 
"R+L=J v.131" (thread one hundred thirty one)
 
"R+L=J v.132" (thread one hundred thirty two)


"R+L=J v.133" (thread one hundred thirty three)
 
"R+L=J v.134" (thread one hundred thirty four)
 
"R+L=J v.135" (thread one hundred thirty five)
 
"R+L=J v.136" (thread one hundred thirty six)
 
"R+L=J v.137" (thread one hundred thirty seven)
 
"R+L=J v.138"(thread one hundred thirty eight)
 
"R+L=J v.139" (thread one hundred thirty nine)
 
"R+L=J v.140" (thread one hundred forty)
 
"R+L=J v.141" (thread one hundred forty one)
 
"R+L=J v.142(thread one hundred forty two)
 
"R+L=J v.143" (thread one hundred forty three)
 
"R+L=J v. 144" (thread one hundred forty four)
 
"R+L=J v.145" (thread one hundred forty five)
 

"R+L=J v.146" (thread one hundred forty six)
 

"R+L=J v. 147" (thread one hundred forty seven)
 

"R+L=J v. 148" " (thread one hundred forty eight)
 

"R+L=J v.149" (thread one hundred forty nine)

 

"R+L=J v. 150" (thread one hundred fifty)

 

"R+L=J v. 151" (thread one hundred fifty one)

 

"R+L=J v. 152" (thread one hundred fifty two)[/spoiler]

 

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Wow, moving really fast these days. Did I miss anything important in the previous thread?

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Who knows. So many prophecies and so many candidates. 

I highly doubt GRRM would finish everything comfortably in only two books. 

For me there are too many clues and plot lines. 

But yeah, a song of ice and fire may eventually be a song of Jon Snow and Dany bride of fire. 

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The Radio Westeros podcast and their theory on how Rhaegar and Lyanna met to me makes the most sense, i recommend everywhere listen to it. They go through the basic evidence for R + L = J but their theory on Rhaegar trying to protect Lyanna from his father to me made so much sense, especially compared to the others involving rape or some fairy tale love story. 

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Who knows. So many prophecies and so many candidates. 

I highly doubt GRRM would finish everything comfortably in only two books. 

For me there are too many clues and plot lines. 

But yeah, a song of ice and fire may eventually be a song of Jon Snow and Dany bride of fire. 

 

I fear the same. There are too many 'mini plots' to finish. 

 

As for the meaning of the song being Jon/Dany I really don't like it, although that's what I think it'll turn out to be. I much prefer the idea of Jon alone being it  once he has both fire and ice on his blood.

 

I'd like to see Dany marrying Aegon (I hope he is a Blackfyre) if she's to marry someone.

 

 

The Radio Westeros podcast and their theory on how Rhaegar and Lyanna met to me makes the most sense, i recommend everywhere listen to it. They go through the basic evidence for R + L = J but their theory on Rhaegar trying to protect Lyanna from his father to me made so much sense, especially compared to the others involving rape or some fairy tale love story.

 

 

I don't believe on the rape/kidnap story either. I picture Lyanna being as [email protected] as Arya and not like Sansa. If she wasn't willing to go with Rhaegar he'd have gotten some bruises to say the least.

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Who knows. So many prophecies and so many candidates. 

I highly doubt GRRM would finish everything comfortably in only two books. 

For me there are too many clues and plot lines. 

But yeah, a song of ice and fire may eventually be a song of Jon Snow and Dany bride of fire. 

Consider that Jon is a Son(g) of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire (Rhaegar), personified. He is not just ice, so Dany does not seem to be fire to his ice. He really is both -- so the song is his.

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I fear the same. There are too many 'mini plots' to finish. 

 

As for the meaning of the song being Jon/Dany I really don't like it, although that's what I think it'll turn out to be. I much prefer the idea of Jon alone being it  once he has both fire and ice on his blood.

 

I'd like to see Dany marrying Aegon (I hope he is a Blackfyre) if she's to marry anyone.

 

Jon is indeed a mixture of ice and fire by his parents, however this can not be the main and sole reason to use it as the title of whole series. 

 

Song of ice and fire has many reasons:

 

Song of ice (Jon snow) and fire (Dany)

song of ice (others) and fire (dragons)

song of ice (honor and duty, etc.) and fire (desire and love, etc.)

Song of ice (reforged ICE) and fire (retrieved blackfyre)  (I know, this one is just a strech, but it is kind of fun)

you know, a lot of stuff........................

 

 

By the way, it is nice to see Dany would marry Aegon. 

But I guess he will be killed by the dragon fire?

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Consider that Jon is a Son(g) of Ice (Lyanna) and Fire (Rhaegar), personified. He is not just ice, so Dany does not seem to be fire to his ice. He really is both -- so the song is his.

 

I know this is true, but it can not be the only reason and it looks like a minor reason for the whole series title. 

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Yep. It could also mean Lyanna and Rhaegar's love as she seems to be the reason why war broke loose. 

 

By the way, it is nice to see Dany would marry Aegon. 

But I guess he will be killed by the dragon fire?

 

 

Ah, come on, I'm here hoping for a thrid Blackfyre Rebellion and Dany marrying Aegon putting an end to it.  :drunk: :P

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We don't really know what the Song of Ice and Fire is supposed to be. My guess is that it is a poetic term for the war against the Others. One assumes it is mentioned in the prophecy of the promised prince Rhaegar read but the exact context is unknown. Is Rhaegar's belief that the song of the promised prince is the Song of Ice and Fire stated this way in the prophecy or is it Rhaegar's interpretation? We don't know.

 

The problem with searching for people embodying 'the Song' and crossbreeding bloodlines to create that guy is strange in a rather obvious sense. Lets assume Jon Snow is the Song of Ice and Fire. And then what? End of story? I don't even understand what it could mean that a character embodies 'a song' despite from the obvious metaphorical thing. But how do you connect that to the plot? How do you transfer the metaphor alluding to the title of the series into a valid plot point? 'A Song of Ice and Fire' is the title of this series, it is what the story is about as a whole. It doesn't refer to one protagonist alone.

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We don't really know what the Song of Ice and Fire is supposed to be. My guess is that it is a poetic term for the war against the Others. One assumes it is mentioned in the prophecy of the promised prince Rhaegar read but the exact context is unknown. Is Rhaegar's belief that the song of the promised prince is the Song of Ice and Fire stated this way in the prophecy or is it Rhaegar's interpretation? We don't know.

 

The problem with searching for people embodying 'the Song' and crossbreeding bloodlines to create that guy is strange in a rather obvious sense. Lets assume Jon Snow is the Song of Ice and Fire. And then what? End of story? I don't even understand what it could mean that a character embodies 'a song' despite from the obvious metaphorical thing. But how do you connect that to the plot? How do you transfer the metaphor alluding to the title of the series into a valid plot point? 'A Song of Ice and Fire' is the title of this series, it is what the story is about as a whole. It doesn't refer to one protagonist alone.

 

This is true. 

But maybe a love song between fire (Rhaegar) and ice (Lyanna)? or Jon snow and Dany targ?

Although this could also mean a song between fire (Tyrion if you buy A+J) and ice (Sansa Stark).

So three couples are all mixture of ice and fire. 

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Wow, moving really fast these days. Did I miss anything important in the previous thread?

 

Probably not important. But we discussed if there was any importance of Ned naming Lyanna and Rhaegar's son "Jon". Some suggested that this was more of an author hint to the reader's that Jon was a former KitN. Another suggested that since Jon isn't his son he didn't follow the same pattern as his other sons (named after men he was close with), thus he picked a royal name. The obvious answer is that he was named after Jon Aryn. Purple-eyes pointed out that Ned was fostering Jon Targaryen as Jon Aryn had once fostered him. So he was honoring him with the name of one of his closest friends.

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We don't really know what the Song of Ice and Fire is supposed to be. My guess is that it is a poetic term for the war against the Others. One assumes it is mentioned in the prophecy of the promised prince Rhaegar read but the exact context is unknown. Is Rhaegar's belief that the song of the promised prince is the Song of Ice and Fire stated this way in the prophecy or is it Rhaegar's interpretation? We don't know.

 

The problem with searching for people embodying 'the Song' and crossbreeding bloodlines to create that guy is strange in a rather obvious sense. Lets assume Jon Snow is the Song of Ice and Fire. And then what? End of story? I don't even understand what it could mean that a character embodies 'a song' despite from the obvious metaphorical thing. But how do you connect that to the plot? How do you transfer the metaphor alluding to the title of the series into a valid plot point? 'A Song of Ice and Fire' is the title of this series, it is what the story is about as a whole. It doesn't refer to one protagonist alone.

:agree:

The books repeatedly make the point that blood alone is not enough. That one person is not enough. So, the mix of magical blood producing a singular messiah--or embodying a song--seems to runs counter to how Martin has presented power, change, character development, even magic.

 

Jon seems to be a key character. Same with his remaining siblings. And others, too. But Jon as the song of ice and fire? If so--what's everyone else? The chorus? Really think the final battle will be multi-faceted and multi-personed--like everything else in the stories.

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purple-eyes,

 

well, that would mean this series was about marriages and crossbreeding issue and overemphasizing the symbolic meaning of certain heraldic symbols? That would be ... odd, too. I'd not expect a fight against ice creatures in such scenario (or actually literal fire-breathing dragons hanging around). Rather a lot of soapy intrigue and lots of crossbred children being born...

 

There is something special to the Targaryen bloodline which contains 'the blood of the dragon' in an apparent 'literal sense'. But the Starks aren't 'ice' in the same sense the Targaryens are 'fire' - and even if they were, what would the Others then be? Even colder ice? The Starks are special because of their skinchanging abilities, not because of an overall literal connection to ice - they don't have ice spiders as pets like the Targaryens have dragons, for instance. And they don't show any affinity to ice the same way the Targaryens show an affinity to fire.

 

A 'love song'-like sub-theme is possible, both between Rhaegar and Lyanna in retrospect as well as between Dany and Jon in the future since Jon Snow doesn't have a single Targaryen quality or feature in evidence as far as I remember (not the hair, not the eyes, and no mental instability) so he may actually never identify as a Targaryen. But that would then only be secondary or tertiary aspect of the series' title, not the core meaning. That should be the great conflict between ice and fire, that is between the Others and warm-blooded humanity, which may use their fair share of fire magic and dragonflame to deal with them.

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Jon is indeed a mixture of ice and fire by his parents, however this can not be the main and sole reason to use it as the title of whole series. 

 

Song of ice and fire has many reasons:

 

Song of ice (Jon snow) and fire (Dany)

song of ice (others) and fire (dragons)

song of ice (honor and duty, etc.) and fire (desire and love, etc.)

Song of ice (reforged ICE) and fire (retrieved blackfyre)  (I know, this one is just a strech, but it is kind of fun)

you know, a lot of stuff........................

 

 

By the way, it is nice to see Dany would marry Aegon. 

But I guess he will be killed by the dragon fire?

I think I have been misunderstood. I believe GRRM stated that this period of time in Westeros history will be come to be known as A Song of Ice and Fire. So certainly the central meaning is going to be the battle involving the dragons and the Others and the nature of the war and its outcome. A song in this context is like an epic poem. I acknowledge that and agree. ASOIAF is intended to have many meanings, some of them you have articulated. I also think it represents a symbolic statement about the balance needed in the universe between opposing forces. 

 

My only point is that with respect to the meanings, I don't think one of the meaning would be the union of Jon as Ice and Dany as Fire. I think Jon is the representation of the union of Lyanna as Ice and Rhaegar as Fire. And this union makes Jon one of the many meaning of ASOIAF (which is why the title is so brilliant -- it works on so many levels). 

 

Do I think this conclusion makes Jon the one and only savior figure and singular hero of the series? No. I don't -- he is TPTWP and AAR and one of the heads of the dragon -- so he is very important. But Dany and Tyrion and Bran and probably Arya and maybe Sansa (and possibly others) will be instrumental in winning the war. But if pressed to state who I think is the first among "equals" in this scenario, I would have to say it seems like it is Jon. But Jon cannot and will not do it alone. And the story is not just about Jon.

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There is something special to the Targaryen bloodline which contains 'the blood of the dragon' in an apparent 'literal sense'. But the Starks aren't 'ice' in the same sense the Targaryens are 'fire' - and even if they were, what would the Others then be? Even colder ice? The Starks are special because of their skinchanging abilities, not because of an overall literal connection to ice - they don't have ice spiders as pets like the Targaryens have dragons, for instance. And they don't show any affinity to ice the same way the Targaryens show an affinity to fire.

 

Starks might very well have Other blood in their veins.

 

So when they had finished, Ned rolled off and climbed from her bed, as he had a thousand times before. He crossed the room, pulled back the heavy tapestries, and threw open the high narrow windows one by one, letting the night air into the chamber.
The wind swirled around him as he stood facing the dark, naked and empty-handed. Catelyn pulled the furs to her chin and watched him. 
 
That sounds like some cold affinity out there.
 
Besides, both for the Targaryens and the Starks, it is not only about their fire/cold resistance. It affects their personality. Some Starks have wolfsblood but some "other" Starks are cold and distant. Ned was able to wear such a face. Later, Jon did the same when he killed the boy and became a man. There was once Brandon Ice-eyes.

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Jon is indeed a mixture of ice and fire by his parents, however this can not be the main and sole reason to use it as the title of whole series. 

 

Yes it can.

 

The song of ice and fire belongs to the prince that was promised who is Jon.

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