Dr. Pepper Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Kentucky clerk Kim Davis defies the Supreme Court and continues to deny same-sex couples marriage license. Cites religious beliefs, which are only a factor when gay people come near her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Dr.P, Her religious beliefs do not override her "ministerial duty" to uphold the law as it is currently interepreted by the US Government including the SCOTUS. She does not have the discretion to say no at this point. Her claim of a violation of her Free Exercise rights is specious. She should be removed from office for refusing to do her job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Dr.P, Her religious beliefs do not override her "ministerial duty" to uphold the law as it is currently interepreted by the US Government including the SCOTUS. She does not have the discretion to say no at this point. Her claim of a violation of her Free Exercise rights is specious. She should be removed from office for refusing to do her job. I'm convinced that Davis is doing this 1) for the publicity; and 2) so she can feel and be treated like a Christian soldier. If she plays her cards right she can even monetize the issue; there's seemingly always enough wingnut welfare to go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Fool Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Oh, yeah. Future US presidential candidate right there. After Trump's second term in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Living in Kentucky, I am so sick to death of Kim Davis. Not a day has gone by since June that I haven't been subjected to something about her through either traditional or social media. And, I think the vast majority of Kentuckians share that opinion. In a weird sort of way, I think she has done more to advance the idea of marriage equality here than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I'm convinced that Davis is doing this a) for the publicity; B) so she can feel and be treated like a Christian soldier. If she plays her cards right she can even monetize the issue; there's seemingly always enough wingnut welfare to go around. Guess it depends on just how high her inevitable contempt of court fines are vs. how much she can raise via a GoFundMe to pay them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Mr.OJ, If her religious beliefs will not allow her to do her job, she can resign. It's that simple. She fundamentally misunderstands how the law treats her religious beliefs. The same would be true if she refused to marry a white woman to an African-American man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I wonder how many divorce applications she and her ilk have processed through the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 LfitA, Many, but as an Evangelical Protestant I suspect that is not an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Mr.OJ, If her religious beliefs will not allow her to do her job, she can resign. It's that simple. She fundamentally misunderstands how the law treats her religious beliefs. The same would be true if she refused to marry a white woman to an African-American man. Well, unfortunately, Kentucky passed a "religious freedom" law a couple years back that she has been using as the legal basis for her refusal to issue marriage certificates. Granted, it appears that she has finally run out of options regarding that. Thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I wonder how many divorce applications she and her ilk have processed through the system. Well, she herself has been married four times.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Guess it depends on just how high her inevitable contempt of court fines are vs. how much she can raise via a GoFundMe to pay them. I'm curious if GoFundMe would allow a fund for her since I think they have a policy to not allow money to be raised on their site for lawbreakers profiting from their crimes. I'm guessing there is probably a pseudo christian version of the money raising scheme by now. Wondering if someone is currently in the process of ghost writing her book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Guess it depends on just how high her inevitable contempt of court fines are vs. how much she can raise via a GoFundMe to pay them. Start with prison as a penalty. In my experience, individuals usually abandon their unlawful positions once they are faced with the real prospect of being transferred from a holding cell at federal court to the local county prison for overnight detention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Start with prison as a penalty. In my experience, individuals usually abandon their unlawful positions once they are faced with the real prospect of being transferred from a holding cell at federal court to the local county prison for overnight detention. The problem being... she doesn't seem to be violating any criminal laws. So I don't think there is any way for her to face jailtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The problem being... she doesn't seem to be violating any criminal laws. So I don't think there is any way for her to face jailtime. Wouldn't she be considered in contempt of court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercenaryChef Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The problem being... she doesn't seem to be violating any criminal laws. So I don't think there is any way for her to face jailtime. Denying people their legal rights sounds like a crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempra Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The problem being... she doesn't seem to be violating any criminal laws. So I don't think there is any way for her to face jailtime. Incarceration is a penalty for civil contempt of court, which Ms. Davis is now in since SCOTUS denied her emergency motion for a stay. Apparently, the ACLU is only seeking monetary fines, though the Court has ultimate say on the appropriate action to compel her obedience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Couldn't they just transfer her or fire her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterOJ Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I guess contempt of court is a possibility. I've just been hearing about this case for so long. I know at one point, one of the questions being regularly asked was, "Why can't they prosecute her for this?" And the answer the prosecutors would always come back with was, "She's not fulfilling her duties as clerk, but that isn't actually a crime." Couldn't they just transfer her or fire her? Unfortunately, no. The position she holds is one of an elected official. She was voted into the office and the means for removing her from office requires action by the state legislature, which won't be in session again until January of 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denvek Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Apparently they're trying to get rid of her, but as it's an elected post they have to take the misconduct charges to a trial. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uncucumbered/want_kentucky_clerk_kim_davis_fired_rowan_county_officials_are_trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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