Visenya the Conquerer?

[Shmi44]

But swordsmanship is still very much about skill, more than boxng I dare say. Visenya will always have a disadvantage due to her being a woman but she could still be a good fighter due to her exeptional skill, the problem i have with your original comment is not that you say that women have a disatvntage against men, it is thatt you generalise women without consideration to those with more skill.

 

Hypothetically if I, without any training in swordsmanship whatsoever (I am a man), fought a woman who had trained at it, and also is quite skilled at it, then I would most likely loose. Training is very important is what I am trying to say and you can be born with more talents that may help you in combat than just pure strength. Visenya may have been born with exeptional reflexes and so on.

 

sigh, what I am trying to say is that while your average woman is a worse fighter than your average man there are women who are not average in their skill.

 

Caspoi,

 

indeed. This is not about modern-day sports, it is about the ability and the willingness to kill. Visenya, not Aegon, was 'the true steel' of House Targaryen.

Skills of swordsmanship depends a lot on your strength,reaction and speed and in all of what Visenya will suck pretty much cuz she was a woman.

[ShadowCat Rivers]

 

Skills of swordsmanship depends a lot on your strength,reaction and speed and in all of what Visenya will suck pretty much cuz she was a woman.

What the fuck has to do that she's a woman, in relation to reaction and speed?

[Mithras]

Skills of swordsmanship depends a lot on your strength,reaction and speed and in all of what Visenya will suck pretty much cuz she was a woman.

 

To correct this, you should say that Visenya would suck compared to Aegon.

 

By all accounts, Aegon is described every inch a warrior is supposed to look like and he demonstrated his skill with arms in battles too, instead of simply spitting fire upon people.

[AryaNymeriaVisenya]

Cuz she's a woman. Go race an Olympic sprinter, I'm sure your magical manliness will make it an easy victory

[Shmi44]

What the fuck has to do that she's a woman, in relation to reaction and speed?

Women lack not only in strength if you didn't know. Reaction,speed,instincts almost every aspect what you need in battle actually. That's why women do not go to war. At least if they do not have dragon.
 

[Shmi44]

Cuz she's a woman. Go race an Olympic sprinter, I'm sure your magical manliness will make it an easy victory

In sprint advantage is much less and i will lose :( but i can challenge some experienced boxing girl and kick her ass easily! :)

[ShadowCat Rivers]

Women lack not only in strength if you didn't know. Reaction,speed,instincts almost every aspect what you need in battle actually. That's why women do not go to war. At least if they do not have dragon.

Says who? you? In case you don't know, this is total BS. You would know, if you had paid any attention at school. But then you'd also know how to spell "because".

[Shmi44]

 

Says who? you? In case you don't know, this is total BS. You would know, if you had paid any attention at school. But then you'd also know how to spell "because".

 

Just look on results in sports what depends on this options and you will see what man have still much better results than women.

Sorry but i never taught english at school :(  i am only autodidact.

[ShadowCat Rivers]

Just look on results in sports what depends on this options and you will see what man have still much better results than women.

You really do have a problem understanding the difference between the average values and the placing of a specific individual within the bell curve.

 

(Btw, the comment was not about your english in general, but about the attitude towards its use.)

[Bobby b's bobby]

Cuz she's a woman. Go race an Olympic sprinter, I'm sure your magical manliness will make it an easy victory

Sure an Olympic sprinter beats me or the average male no problem but against a male Olympic sprinter it's just not fair. For example female soccer national sides regularly lose to mens under 17 sides not mens national sides just random sides.

[Darkstream]

That's why women do not go to war. At least if they do not have dragon.

Actually, the Rhoynar woman did go to war. They were considered equal soldiers to the men.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Actually, the Rhoynar woman did go to war. They were considered equal soldiers to the men.

A very tiny minority of Rhoynar women. And they were considered equal in status, not in effect.

[Caspoi]

Mithras@ You got it wrong, Visenya is the one who has demonstrated her skill in arms in battle, rather than just spitting fire.

 

Shmi44@ I think that you overestimate the disadvantage a woman has over a man, it exists, yes, but it is not impossible to overcome, as ShadowCat Rivers so aptly puts it this is not about average values but about individual skill.

[The silver dragon]

 

Skills of swordsmanship depends a lot on your strength,reaction and speed and in all of what Visenya will suck pretty much cuz she was a woman.

 

:bs: , in one on one duels personal strength rarely comes into play. the idea that you have to be this big bulking muscle man to be a warrior is a myth.

 

take a good look at this video and tell me at what part was immense physical strength paramount? 

 

 

fact of the matter is, proper technique and training is decides a swordsman , not strength.

 

the only time when strength would come into play is if you used a weapon that specifically befits from a strength multiplayer. (great-sword,war hammer,axe,mace) or if you are participating in a large field battle where things like fatigue come into play.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

 

bullshit, in one on one duels personally strength rarely comes into play. the idea that you have to be this big bulking muscle man to be a warrior is a myth.

 

take a good look at this video and tell me at what part was immense physical strength paramount? 

 

 

fact of the matter is, proper technique and training is decides a swordsman , not strength.

 

the only time when strength would come into play is if you used a weapon that specifically befits from a strength multiplayer. (great-sword,war hammer,axe,mace) or if you are participating in a large field battle where things like fatigue come into play.

:bs:

 

Strength matters as soon as the skill is sort-of equal or the difference in strength is exceedingly large. Both apply to female fighters. Negatively.

 

Furthermore, a greatsword is not an example for a weapon benefitting from strength in any special way.

[Darkstream]

 the only time when strength would come into play is if you used a weapon that specifically befits from a strength multiplayer.

Strength would also be a huge factor in the ability to block and parry.

[Caspoi]

Darkstream@ Not too much actually, after all, unlike in the movies "blocking" is a lot more about making the enemis weopon glide harmlessly away than forcing it back to its owner.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Darkstream@ Not too much actually, after all, unlike in the movies "blocking" is a lot more about making the enemis weopon glide harmlessly away than forcing it back to its owner.

Indeed, though that is mostly leverage-based and even good leverage can't make up for too much a disparity in strength
.

 

Mostly it will be a disadvantage during half-swording and grappling moves. Not that there is much of a difference between those.

[purple-eyes]

You guys are still discussing if woman can do same as man in fighting?
Simple, if they are equal, then we would not have female and male separately in Olympics.
And we seldom saw an army mixed with man and woman in the history either.

[Caspoi]

purple-eyes@ we are not talking about the average woman against the average man or even the best woman against the best man but specifically Visenya against Aegon, a completely different scenario.